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Bidyanus1
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Help with Identification of this 8x57
#382296 - 03/02/24 04:32 PM

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/17nqlvwwl...y8oipj&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1nua7x1ia...jpl1i1&dl=0

Howdy Team,

I bought this 8x57 M98 Actioned Stutzen last night.
I hope the photos are OK.
From the photos you can see its a twin trigger Stutzen with a Khales Scope with a duplex reticle
The scope itself only has up and down adjustment
Left and right is actually at the base of the rear mount

The proof marks I believe tell me it was Nitro Proofed in Prague Czechoslovakia

But thats exhausted my knowledge.
eg where was it made? who had a Czeck licence if any? when was it made? etc etc

There does not appear to be any other marks on it (not even 8x57 or 8 mm) although I have not removed it from the stock as the SAPOL (SA POLICE) approval has not gone through yet so its not actually in my safe yet.

Its got the thumb groove on the left hand side of the action and the stripper clip groves.
I did not measure the barrel but it looks like about 22 inches

Its got a folding leaf rear sight

Any help appreciated?

Cheers

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Re: Help with Identification of this 8x57 [Re: Bidyanus1]
#382315 - 04/02/24 01:42 PM

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/2a835bkt5...8zr5gr&dl=0

OK Team, Ive managed to find out on the Web these are Ferlach proof marks, and Austrian Maker but actually proofed in Prague Czechoslovakia. The marks on the net say handgun but this is a rifle and they are the correct marks.
I think that code tells me the year of manufacture....does anyone know??
Cheers and thanks in advance:):):)

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Re: Help with Identification of this 8x57 [Re: Bidyanus1]
#382322 - 04/02/24 08:26 PM

Lancaster or Kaudaue are the ones to ask, hopefully they'll chime in for you mate!
Nice little hunter by the way!

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Re: Help with Identification of this 8x57 [Re: 93x64mm]
#382323 - 04/02/24 10:20 PM

the explanation is wrong

the standing lion with a "1" - is it a 1? - was used by the proof house in Prag for blackpowder proof between 1919 and 1931

NP with the small p was used by the proof house in Prag for Nitro proof between 1899 and 1931

funny is I just talk with Kuduae about the stamp of the year and gun number proofed in this year in the proof house in Zehla Mehlis and in Wien. it looks like the proof house in Prag did the same, gun number 1676 proofed in Prag in 1924? what else can it mean?
I think this was build by a local gunmaker somewhere in czechoslovakia. someone who waste no time to stamp his own name on the rifle. I don't believe it was possible to bring the gun over the border from austria to czechoslovakia without a proof and let it proof then in Prag.

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Re: Help with Identification of this 8x57 [Re: lancaster]
#382325 - 04/02/24 10:58 PM

I agree with lancaster: This rifle was proofed by the Prague, Czechoslovakia proofhous in 1924. The Ferlach mark was NPF. But I disagree on "a local gunmaker": That B was an early mark of the Zbrojovka Brno, the Brno factory. In 1924 they started making M98 actioned rifles, the ZB24, on tooling bought from Mauser, Oberndorf. This is a very early version of a sporting rifle made by the famous Brno factory. It is mounted with a contemporary Austrian Kahles "Heliavier" scope.

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Re: Help with Identification of this 8x57 [Re: kuduae]
#382326 - 05/02/24 12:14 AM

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1939.

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Re: Help with Identification of this 8x57 [Re: Rothhammer1]
#382617 - 16/02/24 09:18 PM

Thanks team
thats fantastic feedback
I knew I could count on you

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Re: Help with Identification of this 8x57 [Re: Bidyanus1]
#382618 - 16/02/24 09:19 PM

Thankyou very much

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Re: Help with Identification of this 8x57 [Re: kuduae]
#382619 - 16/02/24 09:21 PM

Thankyou

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Re: Help with Identification of this 8x57 [Re: Bidyanus1]
#383391 - 13/03/24 06:13 AM

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In my post you said the B meant made by BRNO. Ive search the net and cant seem to find that anywhere because Id like to be able to prove that.
And is there anything else you might be able to tell me about this rifle.
I understand you are saying it was made by BRNO but with Mauser Oberndorf tooling purchased after WW1.
have I understood that correctly?
Also what might the number 219 after the B mean?

B219: Letter prefix serial numbers of this form are typical for the 1920s CZ Brno made Mauser rifles, see Ball’s book on Military Mausers.
Until 1918 Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia were parts of the Austro – Hungarian empire. The military depended on the small-arms factories in Steyr and Budapest. So the new founded Czechoslovakia was without any military smallarms factory of their own. At the same time, 1919 – 20, it became obvious that the German arms industry was to be abolished by the Versailles so-called “peace treaty”. Instead of awaiting destruction by the allied disarmament commissions, Mauser Oberndorf sold machines, tools, blueprints and remaining parts to the Czech republic. This package was transferred to Brno where the CZ small arms factory was founded. Even some former Mauser engineers were hired to get production running. In 1922 military rifle production started, not for Czech domestic use only, but for export worldwide too. CZ also made some sporting Mausers to test the market for civilian use and export. Your rifle is one of those very early and rare CZ made sporters.

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Re: Help with Identification of this 8x57 [Re: kuduae]
#383392 - 13/03/24 06:26 AM

Thanks heaps "thumbs up"

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