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The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg
      #380931 - 05/12/23 02:45 AM

Fuhrmann's post on another thread:
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=380784&an=0&page=0#Post380784

"The most extensive combo was also made by Simson":
https://www.germanhuntingguns.com/bengt-bergs-fantastic-set-of-simson-guns/

Bengt Berg's extensive collection of shotguns, combination barrel sets/cape guns and double rifle barrels. Two actions, mine barrel sets. Two side by side shotgun sets. A paradox barrel set. Combinations barrels - .222R/12, .470NE/12 paradox, 8x60Rs/12 paradox. DR sets in .470 NE,.360 no.2, and 6.5x57R and .22 Hornet.

A damned good extensive and versatile collection, some scope in QD mounts. Also an inspiring to a gun nut like me.

Everything on Earth could be hunted with these two actions and nine barrel sets.

I'd like to copy the article here.

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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: NitroX]
      #380932 - 05/12/23 03:09 AM

Thanks ! I have one of his books which has been translated to finnish.

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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: Igorrock]
      #380933 - 05/12/23 04:08 AM

WOW - quite a "collection". A Double Gun affection-ardo might well get all wobbly legged over such a collection.

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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: DarylS]
      #381104 - 10/12/23 09:43 PM

A versatile set for hunting anything and everything in the world.





Hunting all over the world. Wonderful trophies for museum collections.


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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: NitroX]
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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: NitroX]
      #381108 - 10/12/23 09:56 PM

If you could build such a set, what chamberings would you choose? And for what purpose?

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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: NitroX]
      #381125 - 11/12/23 07:06 AM

its rare to see a gun with more than two barrel sets, problem is you don't need more guns than.
on egun ist just know a Meffert 16 ga double with 16 ga +11,16x60R combination gun barrels and new made 16 ga + 5,6x52R combination gun barrels by Wolf/Suhl

https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19318664#img









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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: lancaster]
      #381134 - 11/12/23 06:12 PM

I do have multibarrel barrel sets for my Tikka/Valley. As most regulars on the NE FORUMS know.

I really do like the side by side, double rifle, cape gun, side by side shotgun and paradox systems.

Tikka 512SD Under and Over, Valmet 412 system:
* 12-bore Under and Over, changeable screw in chokes
* 12-bore over .223 Remington, scoped. Fixed choke.
* 12-bore over 7x65R, to be scoped. Fixed choke.
* .30-06 Double Rifle U/O. To be scoped. I'd still possibly like to rechamber this to .30 H&H Super Flanged.
Just because I like the thought of it better. Also a rimmed case.
* 9.3x74R Double Rifle U/O, scoped.

No paradox barrels in this line up.

Also missing a decent big bore. The 9.3x74R is an excellent cartridge but at the lower limit for dangerous game.
I've shown a .450/400 custom barrel set that was for sale at one time.
I like the idea of a .500/416 NE or .416 Rigby No. 2.
However if the action can handle it, a .450 NE would be better, and a .500 NE more better still.
I think that would be overdoing it though.

I very much more would prefer a good side by side line up.

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Tikka 512SD:
* 12-bore Under and Over, changeable screw in chokes
Purpose: general shotgunning, waterfowl, it might be OK for steel shot. Clay targets, trap and skeet and simulated.
* 12-bore over .223 Remington, scoped. Fixed choke.
Purpose: small game, walked up. Rabbits, hares, foxes, ducks and birds. Roos.
* 12-bore over 7x65R, to be scoped. Fixed choke.
Purpose: Mixed hunting shot for small game, 7mm for medium game.
* .30-06 Double Rifle U/O. To be scoped.
Purpose: Medium game hunting.
* 9.3x74R Double Rifle U/O, scoped.
Purpose: Medium game, driven game, scrub and close bush hunting. Medium game but up to dangerous game,





http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=341307&page=0&vc=1#Post341307
Tikka 512SD with 12-bore/.223 Remington barrels. Leupold 1-4x scope on top.


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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: NitroX]
      #381215 - 14/12/23 06:18 AM

I have 2 such combinations:
a Ferlach-made cape gun, 11,2x51R Kropatschek-Heissig (simply a shortened .43 Mauser) and 16 gauge, with extra shotgun barrels, made around 1894
and a Merkel Bockbüchsflinte 7x57R and 12 gauge, with extra shotgun barrels, this one made 1966

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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: NitroX]
      #381217 - 14/12/23 06:53 AM

Quote:

If you could build such a set, what chamberings would you choose? And for what purpose?



Well, I would stick with the "basic set" cape gun and extra shotgun barrels.
Purpose: to have "all you really need" in a handy package, in Europe.
Extra rifle barrels (probably with scopes) make the package bulky, expensive and are not really needed.
My secondhand Merkel combo is fine as it is, but when building new I would change some things:
- shotgun should have 30 inch barrels
- the whole thing with 16 gauge shotgun barrels - yes I know 16 ga is extinct in Europe but 12 ga barrels make the whole thing heavy and bulky
- a more compact scope

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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: fuhrmann]
      #381276 - 16/12/23 07:34 AM

The "basic combo" such as my Merkel above is seen quite regularly at German auctions.
Then and now a more elaborate and expensive piece shows up.
Here is a typical example, just found at egun.de, not mine:
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19403140

It is advertised as follows

Krieghoff Bergstutzen mit 2 Wechselläufen, Bergstutzen hat das Kaliber 8x57IRS und 5,6x52R, Bockbüchsflinte hat 7x57R und 16/70, Bockflinte ist im Kal. 16/70, es handelt sich um das Modell ULM---das heißt Seitenschloss----von Hand herausnehmbar. Die ist das teuerste und hochwertigste, was Krieghoff jemals gefertigt hat. Super schöne Gravur inkl. Schaftmagazin, Zielfernrohr auf dem BST ist Schmidt&Bender Abs.4 6x42, auf BBF ist Zeiss 1,5-6x36 Abs.1, Rückstecher im vorderen Abzug, schönes Schaftholz in 36,5cm Länge, ------------------jetzt kommt es zu einem Mangel: Der Bergstutzenlauf braucht eine Regulierung, schießt 30 cm in der Höfe auseinander über Kreuz, Keil müsste gedrückt werden (ist möglich) oder es müsste eine Mündungsverstellung eingebaut werden. Beide Läufe in sich schießen auf einen Euro zusammen. Mehr Bilder gerne auf Anfrage.

Krieghoff Bergstutzen with 2 extra barrels, Bergstutzen in caliber 8x57IRS and 5,6x52R, Bockbüchsflinte has 7x57R und 16/70, O/U shotgun is in cal. 16/70, this is the Model ULM---meaning side locks----can be detached by hand. This is the most expensive and best ever made by Krieghoff. Super nice engraving incl. cartridge trap, scope on the Bergstutzen is a Schmidt&Bender Abs.4 6x42, on the Bockbüchsflinte is a Zeiss 1,5-6x36 Abs.1, front trigger to be set, nice wood with LOP 36,5cm, ------------------here comes a problem: the Bergstutzen barrels needs to be regulated, they are crossing 30cm, wedge needs to be pushed in (possible) or a muzzle adjustment installed....

The rifle is from the 1960s or 70s, typical example what the well-to-do hunter bought then, from Krieghoff, Merkel, Ferlach...
Typical problem with the fixed-barrel Bergstutzen. I am curious if someone will bid for it.











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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: fuhrmann]
      #381567 - 27/12/23 12:30 AM

being ill over christmas found a book again I got


Bengt Berg's "My hunt for the Unicorn", german edition printed in 1933,happen in India in 1932
Berg was one of the early wild life photographer and he shows there the first pictures of the indian one horned rhino made in wilderness. it was special than he use tripping hazard camera but the flash light was still the old flash powder - blackpowder + magnesium - what start some times a good jungle fire.
Berg mention two guns: a pardox double for daily jungle walks and 470 NE when he shooting a tigress so it was without a doubt he had this combination gun in the camp in bengal. the indian rhino was then down to some hundred because of - you know it- poacher gangs who shoot them to sell the horn to chinese dealer. the main use in china was than to make it into cups for wealthy chinese madarins because it should show poison in the drink by froth up. african rhino was not seen as the real stuff than and the dealer would not like to have this as surrogate because the mighty customer want the real stuff.

happen in bengal close to the border of bhutan









Mister Shebbeare, a fine english sportsman than the forrest commissioner of bengal and responsible for the saving of the indian rhino














the work of the local rhino poacher





they came close to exterminate the rhino than, chinese had the fingers everywhere when only one rhino was around. the price for a rhino horn the poacher got from the first dealer was 3000 rupees what was a fortune for a common indian then. you can imagine how the price of the horn going up from hand to hand until it reach the chinese customer.



















the track of this maneater of madarihat who was feared from bhutan to bengal





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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: lancaster]
      #381580 - 27/12/23 03:11 PM

Dankeschoen Herr Lancaster.

I much enjoyed your excellent find.

As many of us believe, we were born a hundred years too late. Being able to hunt, explore, photograph, in the wild mountains and jungles among the wild kine, panthers, tigers, rhino, deer galore, and elephant back shikari.

The Chinese are still at it. As a race little care for the natural world, destroying rare barely surviving species, denuding forests, tearing apart mountain gains with badly designed roads, even to this day. An antlike race.

That book is a wonderful inclusion to your library.

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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: NitroX]
      #381593 - 28/12/23 04:45 AM

I have this books finnish version at my book shelf:



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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: NitroX]
      #381615 - 29/12/23 04:50 PM

Quote:

Dankeschoen Herr Lancaster.

I much enjoyed your excellent find.

As many of us believe, we were born a hundred years too late. Being able to hunt, explore, photograph, in the wild mountains and jungles among the wild kine, panthers, tigers, rhino, deer galore, and elephant back shikari.

The Chinese are still at it. As a race little care for the natural world, destroying rare barely surviving species, denuding forests, tearing apart mountain gains with badly designed roads, even to this day. An antlike race.

That book is a wonderful inclusion to your library.



You couldn't have said it better for me, John. Your post has been my sentiments for sixty+ years. I learned to read from hours of wearing the print off the pages of vintage Stoeger's Shooter's Bibles from before WWII and shortly afterward. My dad also made sure I kept on up current events in the mid-late 1950s and into the 1960s.

This thread is an amazing trip back to my childhood.

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Re: The wonderful collection of Bengt Berg [Re: Igorrock]
      #381620 - 29/12/23 05:25 PM

Quote:

I have this books finnish version at my book shelf:





Thank you Igorrock.

I did a search on Bengt Berg's books and there are a few in German available. I might buy a few. Heavy on photographs.

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      #386827 - 17/09/24 02:25 AM

Revisiting.

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      #387180 - 10/10/24 05:29 PM

It's a great link to wonderful guns. I go there often to look at them. What a collection of gunmaker's art!

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