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South Africa to seize white-owned farm
      #38068 - 24/09/05 03:38 PM

South Africa to seize white-owned farm

Friday, September 23, 2005; Posted: 6:01 a.m. EDT (10:01 GMT)

PRETORIA, South Africa (AP) -- South Africa has for the first time moved to seize land from a white commercial farmer, saying that negotiations to buy the property to hand over to black claimants were taking too long.

Commissioner Blessing Mphela on Thursday told a news conference at the Commission on the Restitution of Land Rights that the seizure was a last resort. South Africa must speed up land reform or face chaos, Mphela added.

Congress Mahlangu, a spokesman for Mphela, told The Associated Press it was the first time the commission had resorted to the expropriation process.

The commission was set up to restore land lost by black and mixed-race South Africans under apartheid.

Previously, South Africa maintained a willing seller, willing buyer approach to land reform, but the government accuses some white farmers of asking too much and dragging out sales. Deputy President Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka indicated in July the government was considering getting tougher.

Mphela, who is in charge of land restitution cases in North West Province, said the government would issue an expropriation order for a 500-hectare (1,235-acre) farm owned by Hannes Visser. The government has offered 1.75 million rands (about $276,000) and Visser has asked for 3 million (about $473,000).

Visser told the South African Press Association he would challenge the order.

"I do not recognize the claim on my land and cannot be forced to sell at the government's price," Visser told SAPA.

Mahlangu said Visser would receive the expropriation order within a week. Mphela said Visser would have a month after receiving the order to show cause to the minister of agriculture why his farm should not be seized. If the minister upholds the order, Visser can appeal in the courts.

Visser said he had made improvements worth 3.5 million rands (about $552,000) worth of improvements to the farm his father bought in 1968.

He said the government offer was not enough to set up a business comparable to the farm. Mphela said the government offered to exempt areas with improvements but the compromise was rejected.

Overcoming apartheid

The deputy president said last July that the government wants all land restitution claims settled within the next three years. The government, she said, seeks to deliver 30 percent of the country's agricultural land to people disadvantaged by apartheid by 2014. If necessary, she said it would revise the current willing buyer, willing seller principle.


In reply to:

The fruits of liberation have yet to be tasted by the majority of the rural population
Commissioner Blessing Mphela




South African officials have repeatedly said they do not plan to emulate Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe's seizure of white-owned farms, which many say contributed to the collapse of that country's farm-based economy.

But Mugabe's policies have made him hugely popular among black South Africans, while land reform here appears stalled.

When the democratic government came to power in South Africa in 1994, some 87 percent of agricultural land was owned by whites, who account for 10 percent of the population. This has fallen to 80 percent, according to some estimates.

In the North West case, Commissioner Mphela said, the Visser farm was initially part of four plots owned by the Molamu family, which was forced to sell under the apartheid government's policies of systematically stripping blacks of land and moving them into townships and so-called homelands. Descendants of the first Molamu owners filed a claim seeking restitution.

"Two-thirds of the country, including most of the best quality land, remains in the hands of less than 60,000 people who unfortunately in this case are white farmers, while 14 million blacks or Africans eke out a precarious existence in the former homelands and urban informal settlements," Mphela said.

"In South Africa, where dispossession of African people was much more brutal and thorough than any other in the region, the fruits of liberation have yet to be tasted by the majority of the rural population," Mphela said.




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Re: South Africa to seize white-owned farm [Re: News]
      #39596 - 23/10/05 03:05 PM

This is truly an unsettling developement. South Africa seems to be going in the wrong direction. If SA does come out of this decade on the up and up it will be a true exception to the rule of African countries.

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      #39617 - 24/10/05 12:40 AM

Give them a few more years and they will be on the bones of their arse and expecting us and the rest of the world to feed them..

Look what has happened in Rhodesia !

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Re: South Africa to seize white-owned farm [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #39629 - 24/10/05 05:12 AM

Alan

I like the expression "they will be on the bones of their arse".

I cannot imagine the RSA could make the same error the Zim and most of the African countries made. The paid price is colossal.
Correct me if I am wrong. Since the end of the Apartheid, the RSA GNP has been divided by 4 or 5?????
The immigration is non stop and the criminal rate is rocketting.
They seize the private properties and in less than 10 years they'll starve. But as long as they'll have morons (abroad) gapping at N. Mandela, one can fear the worst for RSA.
Is Namibia in the same trouble???????

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Re: South Africa to seize white-owned farm [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #39633 - 24/10/05 05:57 AM

My guess is right after the World Cup they will be circling the drain.

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Re: South Africa to seize white-owned farm [Re: larcher]
      #39678 - 24/10/05 03:37 PM

In reply to:

I cannot imagine the RSA could make the same error the Zim and most of the African countries made. The paid price is colossal.
Correct me if I am wrong.




Unfortunately exactly the same was said about Zimbabwe only ten years ago. "How could they be so stupid to do that?"

But Mugabe and his cronies still did.

Of course hopefully it does not happen in Namibia and South Africa.

My intent - go hunting now!



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Re: South Africa to seize white-owned farm [Re: NitroX]
      #39681 - 24/10/05 03:49 PM

Another news article:


South African farmers see barren future with evictions on horizon

The Telegraph

By Stephen Bevan in Ventersdorp, North West Province

He does not look like the leader of a resistance movement. Yet, as one of the first half-dozen white farmers in South Africa to be forced to sell up under its land reform programme, Pieter Jacobs is at the forefront of a battle likely to be as bitterly fought as that in neighbouring Zimbabwe.

For eight years Mr Jacobs, 53, and six neighbouring landowners in the Ventersdorp district of North West Province, have been disputing the claims on their farms by the Bakwena tribe, who say that the land was taken from
them under apartheid laws. Now Mr Jacobs has been told that the farm where he has lived for 30 years must be returned to the Bakwena, a ruling that has profound implications for other white farmers.

He will be paid £940,000 for the 5,700-acre farm, but claims that it is worth three times that. His 32 workers and their families will lose their homes and their livelihoods but receive nothing.

"I'm not against land reform but it must be done in a proper way," Mr Jacobs said. "Why force a productive farmer off his land?

"We are being seen as the bad people in South Africa, but if I leave this farm, where are my workers going to live and work? The new owners will have nothing. The government gives them no assistance.

"It's the same as Zimbabwe, only less brutal. At the end of the day the result is the same. They are taking taxpayers' money and buying productive farms to give to people who won't be able to produce on them because they have no training or equipment."

The sudden haste on the part of South Africa's Commission on Restitution of Land Rights is because, more than a decade after the end of the country's apartheid regime, whites still own more than 80 per cent of commercial agricultural land. As part of their attempt to tackle the legacy of apartheid, black South Africans were encouraged to lodge claims for land that they were forced to sell or that was designated as whites-only under the old racial zoning laws.

Of the 9,000 land claims lodged by blacks in rural areas, fewer than 500 have been resolved, prompting the Government to extend the deadline for settling all claims by a further two years to 2007 - to the embarrassment of President Thabo Mbeki, who wants more rapid results.

The slow pace of land reform arouses strong passions among the black majority and has come to symbolise the government's failure to deliver in other areas, such as housing and basic services.

At first it proceeded only where landowners were willing to sell for an agreed price, and expropriation was seen as a last resort - if nothing else, for fear of scaring off foreign investors.

Now, however, the gloves are off. Blessing Mphela, the regional land commissioner for Gauteng and North West Province, announced the country's first expropriation in Lichtenburg three weeks ago, and said that he was preparing to serve notices on another five farms - Mr Jacobs's among them.

Part of Mr Jacobs's opposition no doubt stems from his desire to get the best possible price. He claims that the commission will not pay a fair price for the "improvements" he has made to the land, including two farmhouses and an abattoir that he said would cost £2.2 million to replace. Mr Jacobs lives on the farm with his wife, Mariette, and 27-year-old son, also called
Pieter, who would one day have taken over the business.

"Please be fair to me," Mr Jacobs said. "It took me 20 years to build this business, but for the last 10 I've been able to do nothing with it because of the land claim. Now I must start all over again."

There is no disguising the sense of bitterness among these farmers about what they regard as a politically motivated attack upon them. Mr Jacobs and his neighbours say that they have never had a chance to contest the Bakwena claim - and now they never will, because the government has changed the law to enable it to expropriate land without first going to the land claims court.

Like many such claims, the roots of the dispute are murky. According to official records, the land was bought from an Afrikaner farmer in 1880 by the Wesleyan Missionary Society, which leased the land to the Bakwena. When the Church later sold up, it paid the Bakwena compensation for terminating their leases and helped them to buy another farm.

The Bakwena say that they gave money to the Church to buy the land for them and it had to be registered in the Church's name because black people were not allowed to own property in that area.

There are no records of this, they say, precisely because it was designed to circumvent the law.

Mr Mphela says that the farmers had not previously challenged the validity of the Bakwena claim, and accuses them of trying to drag out the negotiations even more.

"They want to refer it to a court because they know that court processes are intractable," he said. "This is an attempt to buy time. But it won't help any of us because the dispossessed communities then think the only option is
land invasions."

Hendrik Viviers and his son, Sarel, who farm about 1,400 acres and are also facing expropriation, believe that they know why the commission won't go to court.

"They knew their case wouldn't stand up so they waited until they changed the law," Sarel said. "Now all we can do is go to court to challenge the price."

Hendrik said: "This was one of the first land claims in South Africa and they want to make an example of us. It's a political issue. Mugabe chased the farmers in Zimbabwe off their land and now Mbeki is doing it too."

Mr Jacobs said that there are other farmers who would be happy to sell. With the price of maize half what it was two years ago, farming is a tough business.

He said that he will not stay in South Africa. "If they take my farm from me I won't buy another here," he said. "What is to say that in another five years they won't take that away from me as well?"



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Note I do NOT post these articles to knock South Africa. Far from it. I post them as I hope awareness internationally may prevent the inevitable.


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Re: South Africa to seize white-owned farm [Re: NitroX]
      #39687 - 24/10/05 05:43 PM

"Of the 9,000 land claims lodged by blacks in rural areas, fewer than 500 have been resolved, prompting the Government to extend the deadline for settling all claims by a further two years to 2007 - to the embarrassment of President Thabo Mbeki, who wants more rapid results"

No way that deadline is reasonable...Nothing ever happens quickly in Africa.

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Re: South Africa to seize white-owned farm [Re: larcher]
      #39762 - 25/10/05 09:22 PM

In reply to:

Alan

I like the expression "they will be on the bones of their arse".

I cannot imagine the RSA could make the same error the Zim and most of the African countries made. The paid price is colossal.
Correct me if I am wrong. Since the end of the Apartheid, the RSA GNP has been divided by 4 or 5?????
The immigration is non stop and the criminal rate is rocketting.
They seize the private properties and in less than 10 years they'll starve. But as long as they'll have morons (abroad) gapping at N. Mandela, one can fear the worst for RSA.
Is Namibia in the same trouble???????




JB,

My impression from spending time in RSA and getting to know quite a lot of people there is that RSA is definatly going down the drain.

We met quite a lot of farmers that where virtually being forced off their land, and were looking into the possibilities in other countrys such as Uganda, or even away from Africa such as Australia. Some had been in serious firefights with "criminals" that attacked their farm/family. When thus they were eventually forced to sell, it was always politically connected ANC people that "just happened" to be interested in buying their property. No one else... And of course we met many other (non farming) people in RSA who were just fed up with the increasing crime and open racism of the ANC government.

Lets not forget that RSA's president; Mbeke and his other ANC stooges are Marxists. Just like Mugabe in Zim, and Pohamba in Namibia. And if you are not one of them (Black, preferrably Bantu, and a "comrade"), you are not going to get anywhere in the system, and the system will always be against you.

I personally would not put money into property in RSA or consider moving there. There are other African countries that are better than RSA in that regard IMO.

So hunt in RSA while you can, for in a decade or so, it might all be down the toilet...

Erik

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EDITED: To clear up my poor writing!

Edited by ErikD (26/10/05 07:54 AM)


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Re: South Africa to seize white-owned farm [Re: EricD]
      #39807 - 26/10/05 06:02 AM

Erik

I sincerely wish You are wrong.

Little chance???????????

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Re: South Africa to seize white-owned farm [Re: larcher]
      #40355 - 01/11/05 09:36 PM

Just remember that there are a lot more international interests in South-Africa than in Zimbabwe.
We are trying to keep what we have (especially our fire arms because we might need them one day)and carry on day by day.

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Re: South Africa to seize white-owned farm [Re: larcher]
      #40431 - 02/11/05 05:13 PM

The same thing has started in Namibia...quietly for now. Apes are once again running the jungle, it seems... (nothing racial...just pertains to basic intelligence and common sense)

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      #41851 - 18/11/05 02:45 AM

Keep us all posted on what is happening.

I'm sure it will only be a matter of time !

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Re: South Africa to seize white-owned farm [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #41896 - 19/11/05 12:03 AM

The first farm was seized in Namibia

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      #42848 - 03/12/05 03:50 AM

I saw an article on Mugabe and Rhodesia tonight,not a pretty picture.
They are describing the country as simular to North Korea.
International aid is in Rhodesia trying to help and RSA will be the same in the near future.
Its about time someone punched these dictators tickets permenantly.
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Re: South Africa to seize white-owned farm [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #42864 - 03/12/05 06:55 AM

Well but then you should be aware of billions of hungry people trying to settle to europe and the US...

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      #42872 - 03/12/05 08:00 AM

I feel sorry from them, but moving to the US isn't the answer. They would just put more burden on our welfare system; which is abused enough as it is. And cause a sever back-lash against these people. Naw, they need to work out their problems, on their own soil.

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      #44217 - 17/12/05 09:50 AM

Christ, I hope this news doesn't spread to the US too quickly as the blacks in the South will want to take over the cotton and tobacco farms!!!

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      #47281 - 21/01/06 06:51 PM

NEWS FLASH----------
MUGABE plans to evict his neighbors from around new punga hut that reportedly costs around $82 million.
Gut shooting is to good for him.

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      #47856 - 25/01/06 06:31 AM

Spear chuckers maybe....??

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