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lancaster
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finally a 70-150 WCF
#380375 - 27/10/23 06:10 AM

you heard about it from time to time but I never see a rifle before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-JxWeQwhtA

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93x64mm
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Re: finally a 70-150 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#380379 - 27/10/23 07:13 AM

awesome!

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Re: finally a 70-150 WCF [Re: 93x64mm]
#380385 - 27/10/23 09:45 AM

There you go gentlemen:
Very interesting project narrated by a Gen-U-Wine USA American redneck bubba.
As Gomer Pyle would have said…..Golll-ly Sgt.Carter.
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Re: finally a 70-150 WCF [Re: 3DogMike]
#380386 - 27/10/23 10:17 AM

For some. reason I want one

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DarylS
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Re: finally a 70-150 WCF [Re: fjrdoc]
#380393 - 27/10/23 03:20 PM

He's using double the weight bullets than I shot. I just used a 480gr. round ball, but with 191gr. 2F GOEX. Then I bought a couple moulds casting larger balls, but never got around to testing them. A friend needed that SxS more than I did, so away it went.
I did have to repair the stock after firing the first BP loads noted above. It turned me around backwards, first time I shot it. Wasn't prepared for the recoil.
I'm assuming he was using 150gr. of BP don't know make or granulation size.
Greener mentions 3 loads back in the day:
about 4.2drams = 115gr.
about 5 drams = 136gr.
------7 drams = 191gr.

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Re: finally a 70-150 WCF [Re: DarylS]
#380408 - 28/10/23 04:10 AM

one of the post under the vid sugest the original concept was using paradox rifling if I understand him right
" the model 1887 was originally designed as a 12 gauge shotgun. The 70-150 cartridge was a “wildcat” designed by necking down a full brass 12 gauge casing. In the original models, only the last few inches of barrel towards the muzzle were rifled. I don't know if your reproduction example follows the original pattern or not. This rifle and ammunition was never sold commercially, and I don't understand why Winchester even developed it. "

wonder why nobody starts making barrels for the common shotguns. when also making die sets for a reasonable price I am sure it would find a lot of interest.

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Re: finally a 70-150 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#380413 - 28/10/23 08:19 AM

I understand the 70-150 as being a wildcat, etc.
I merely used a standard 2 3/4" plastic case for my 12 bore loads with round ball, up to 191gr.(7 drams)
These were with the trap-load shot-cup gas checks, loaded cup-up, holding the ball in the middle of the bore.
I did buy more Tanner moulds, casting .705" and 724" round balls for various loads in 12 bore & one at .740" to try in an 10 bore Brown Bess with denim patches, which worked very well.

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