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casper50
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Has this H&H been rebarreled?
#379620 - 26/09/23 02:23 AM

Found this H&H that is supposed to be a .38 cal straight walled cartridge double rifle. To me the barrels look to small at the breach end. They are way smaller diameter than the fences.

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Re: Has this H&H been rebarreled? [Re: casper50]
#379624 - 26/09/23 03:35 AM

Unfortunately it looks like this.

It's a shame, otherwise it looks like a nice weapon.

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Re: Has this H&H been rebarreled? [Re: grandveneur]
#379671 - 27/09/23 11:13 AM

Odd that the firing pins would still be centered give what looks like a big drop in the axis of the barrels. Do you have additional pictures?

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Re: Has this H&H been rebarreled? [Re: CJF]
#379893 - 08/10/23 07:14 AM

Weird that the barrels were renumbered to the action if rebarreled. Either way it just looks a bit awkward. I’d avoid if for no other reason than a lack of curb appeal. If I were serious about bidding, I’d ask the auction house for pics of the action flats, breach face and barrel flats, plus the breach end of the barrels.

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Re: Has this H&H been rebarreled? [Re: CJF]
#379894 - 08/10/23 08:55 AM

If the firing pins are in the centre of the standing "breech", then it's a cob-job, imho.

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Re: Has this H&H been rebarreled? [Re: DarylS]
#379896 - 08/10/23 09:11 AM

The fences don't look awfully strong so maybe for a low powered 38cal rimfire cartridge (38 Extra Long, Long and Short) where the centred pins in the standing breach would be offset to the chambers to suit a rimfire?

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Re: Has this H&H been rebarreled? [Re: eagle27]
#379897 - 08/10/23 02:45 PM

They (at the middle of the breech) don't appear to be quite high enough for a rimfire, to me. Good suggestion, though.

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HeymSR20
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Re: Has this H&H been rebarreled? [Re: DarylS]
#379906 - 08/10/23 10:02 PM

The gun in question looks to be one of H&H early hammerless guns, and judging by the fences would have been made as a shotgun.

I suspect at some point in the last 140 odd years the original barrels became damaged / worn out and it was just an old gun.

So somebody rebarreled it.

This is the sort of gun that generally obtained for not a lot of money as it is far from original, yet can still give a smile on your face. Guide price - I would have a look in the auctions for forend and action only.

If the action is sound and unmessed, this might be a candidate for a new set of barrels. It will cost several thousand in whatever currency, probably five figure of thousands. Done properly you could have a lovely gun at a fraction of the price of an unmessed H&H. Done wrong it would be an expensive money pit.

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Re: Has this H&H been rebarreled? [Re: HeymSR20]
#379907 - 08/10/23 10:14 PM

It probably looked something like this originally

https://www.bonhams.com/auction/17943/lo...a-leather-case/

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Re: Has this H&H been rebarreled? [Re: HeymSR20]
#379918 - 09/10/23 04:54 AM

if this is realy the same model?

the safety here look factory made

with the H&H address on the barrel there is a great temptation to make the gun more interesting for the market in 2023 by changing the caliber. here is a what was probably a rook rifle back in the day for an obsolete caliber. with a 22 hornet liner and a modern scope you get much more interest.

https://www.naturabuy.fr/KIPPLAUF-HOLLAND-HOLLAND-item-10198423.html

looks like this crime was done recently in germany

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Re: Has this H&H been rebarreled? [Re: lancaster]
#379924 - 09/10/23 11:35 AM

Appears so. In Europe, the Hornet is loaded to less vel. than in NA. I suppose it produces less pressure as well.

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Re: Has this H&H been rebarreled? [Re: DarylS]
#379957 - 11/10/23 12:33 AM

It's suppose to be chambered for a .38 caliber straight wall case.

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HeymSR20
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Re: Has this H&H been rebarreled? [Re: casper50]
#380024 - 13/10/23 07:26 AM

There was a .380 Rook cartridge, also called the .38 Long.

More details in this article by Diggory Hadeoke

https://www.vintageguns.co.uk/magazine/james-lang-s-rook-rifle

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