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Vintage Rigby bolt action brilliance - .416 Rigby, .350 Rigby, .275 Rigby. Is there any adventure anywhere in the world that would not cover?

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Thats just teasing....

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Ha, I wish. But no,the use of a long winded tablet process not a efficient laptop.

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Vintage Rigby bolt action brilliance - .416 Rigby, .350 Rigby, .275 Rigby. Is there any adventure anywhere in the world that would not cover?

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I don't know how I could shoot a sheep or an Ibex on 500 yards with one of these cartridges.

Nostalgia is one thing, practice is another.

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I don't know about that. The 275 shot soldiers at 500+ meters alright. Load the 416 with light bullets and it would be a long range job. Load the 350 up to modern standards and it is a 358 Norma Mag.

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The three cartridges quoted are very good cartridges and may have covered the needs of the time. Nowadays, however, we have other standards and also enough well-suited cartridges for almost all hunting situations worldwide. Hunting ethics have also changed, injured game that go away is managed differently than in the past.

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GV, just teasing and joking, because animals have become so much tougher in the last 100 years.

European mountain hunters used to use the 7x57 and 6.5x54 fine.

Another PH said I couldn't hunt eland with my .30-06 in Zimbabwe, at the concession one night, "it wasn't big enough", my PH later told me about it, and wanted to prove him wrong. One angled shot to the heart and an insurance broadside shot to knock it over, proved the idiot PH wrong. A 7x57 and a .30-06 is not a big difference.

But yes, if spending a mortgage on Asian mountain game, I'd trade up to a flat Magnum. Maybe my 8x68S. It isn't a light rifle though.

BUT just like a hundred years ago, I'd be happy with a .275, .350, and .416, plus RFs and small game rifles and shotguns, would cover anything on Earth.

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The three cartridges quoted are very good cartridges and may have covered the needs of the time. Nowadays, however, we have other standards and also enough well-suited cartridges for almost all hunting situations worldwide. Hunting ethics have also changed, injured game that go away is managed differently than in the past.

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GV, just teasing and joking, because animals have become so much tougher in the last 100 years.

European mountain hunters used to use the 7x57 and 6.5x54 fine.

Another PH said I couldn't hunt eland with my .30-06 in Zimbabwe, at the concession one night, "it wasn't big enough", my PH later told me about it, and wanted to prove him wrong. One angled shot to the heart and an insurance broadside shot to knock it over, proved the idiot PH wrong. A 7x57 and a .30-06 is not a big difference.

But yes, if spending a mortgage on Asian mountain game, I'd trade up to a flat Magnum. Maybe my 8x68S. It isn't a light rifle though.

BUT just like a hundred years ago, I'd be happy with a .275, .350, and .416, plus RFs and small game rifles and shotguns, would cover anything on Earth.

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One can only give good comments about the cartridge 416 Rigby. It is not for nothing that more than a DR caliber 577NE remained in the safe in favor of a rifle caliber 416 Rigby in the past.

The cartridge 350 Rigby was not exactly a success. The number of weapons that have been converted to caliber 375 H&H Magnum is not small.

As for the cartridge 7x57, it performed well with the 175gr bullet, but at short ranges. It was never a long-range cartridge, in Europe mountains hunters more likely used the cartridge 6,5x57. The cartridge 6,5x54 MS was also not a long range cartridge either. One must not forget that one used in the past for hunting in the mountains sometimes completely different techniques than nowadays. The "Riegeljagd" for example is hardly practiced nowadays, and you don't need a long-range cartridge for that.

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The cartridge 350 Rigby was not exactly a success. The number of weapons that have been converted to caliber 375 H&H Magnum is not small.

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As for the cartridge 7x57, it performed well with the 175gr bullet, but at short ranges. It was never a long-range cartridge, in Europe mountains hunters more likely used the cartridge 6,5x57. The cartridge 6,5x54 MS was also not a long range cartridge either. One must not forget that one used in the past for hunting in the mountains sometimes completely different techniques than nowadays. The "Riegeljagd" for example is hardly practiced nowadays, and you don't need a long-range cartridge for that.

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I've always wondered about these not very flat shooting cartridges for Euro alpine hunting.

Maybe you or someone could elaborate? Thanks.

A local acquaintance of mine with a locally famous name had two pristine, "never fired" vintage Rigbys. A .275 and a .350. The elderly gentleman sold them to another acquaintance on the condition they never be fired ... A promise I could not keep ....

I'd like a .275 or 7x57 oneday. A classic no nonsense quite adequate cartridge for most medium game. Might might be a Dorleac if the God smiles on me one day.

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Vintage Rigby bolt action brilliance - .416 Rigby, .350 Rigby, .275 Rigby. Is there any adventure anywhere in the world that would not cover?

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I don't know how I could shoot a sheep or an Ibex on 500 yards with one of these cartridges.

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I don't know about that. The 275 shot soldiers at 500+ meters alright. Load the 416 with light bullets and it would be a long-range job. Load the 350 up to modern standards and it is a 358 Norma Mag.

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What I said was done in response, just to high light it could be done, not recommending it be done as there are better cartridges for long range shooting now.

From reading the ethics of long-range shooting of animals in the past was of higher value than it is today. Also I have read that one reason the 350 Rigby did not catch on was it was loaded back so it's trajectory was the same as the 303 with heavy bullets. True or not I have not verified. In my mind it should have been loaded with 250 grain bullets of suitable construction.

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Westley Richards did the same thing and also offered the 318 with a 180 grain bullet.

Of course a 250 grain bullet for the 350 Rigby would have been pretty well perfect, just like it is in most other cartridges in that diameter range.

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A.318 WR with 250 gr and 180 gr bullets makes a lot of sense, the lighter bullet for medium game.

I would load my 8x68S with those two bullet weights if good bullets were available in those weights.

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In my mind it should have been loaded with 250 grain bullets of suitable construction.

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I don't know about that. The 275 shot soldiers at 500+ meters alright. Load the 416 with light bullets and it would be a long-range job. Load the 350 up to modern standards and it is a 358 Norma Mag.

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Yep.

If I had a .350 Rigby, it would be loaded with 250 grainers.

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