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jgrabow
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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: buckstix]
#374942 - 08/03/23 10:35 AM

Ian McFarlane created the 440 McFarlan about 20 years ago using the 404 Jeffery case. I never got around to having a bolt made for the 404.

https://municion.org/producto/440-mcfarlan/
https://municion.org/Ficha-11-076-BGC-040-0001/

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: buckstix]
#374956 - 08/03/23 06:33 PM

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Hello 93x64mm,

According to the Handloader's Manual of Cartridge Conversions, you can make 11.2x72 cases from 404J brass. Case capacity in water is virtually identical. Also some old Bertram brass measured .441. The new stuff measures .436. Spinning a 404J case in a lathe and touching the head with a file will easily remove a couple thousands from the head dia. Then simply cut a new rebated head with extractor groove.

Harald Wolf in Hatari Times writes about the conversion 404 Jeffery cases in 11,2x72 cases, noted however, that the process would be very difficult. Nevertheless, you might have to take a critical look at that. Harald Wolf found some things very difficult for non-professionals, including reloading 500 Jeffery cartridges for example.

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: grandveneur]
#374964 - 08/03/23 11:09 PM

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Hello 93x64mm,

According to the Handloader's Manual of Cartridge Conversions, you can make 11.2x72 cases from 404J brass. Case capacity in water is virtually identical. Also some old Bertram brass measured .441. The new stuff measures .436. Spinning a 404J case in a lathe and touching the head with a file will easily remove a couple thousands from the head dia. Then simply cut a new rebated head with extractor groove.

Harald Wolf in Hatari Times writes about the conversion 404 Jeffery cases in 11,2x72 cases, noted however, that the process would be very difficult. Nevertheless, you might have to take a critical look at that. Harald Wolf found some things very difficult for non-professionals, including reloading 500 Jeffery cartridges for example.

Thanks for that grandveneur - handy to know
I read somewhere that Jack Lott used .404J brass for the .425WR & just changed to an opened up bolt rather than use the .425WR brass if it wasn't available.
I think it was in his Big Bore magazine article.
Would certainly apply for this 11.2 as well

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: grandveneur]
#374965 - 08/03/23 11:09 PM

Hello 93x64mm,

are you trying to make make 11.2x72 cases?

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: buckstix]
#374967 - 09/03/23 01:55 AM

after making hundreds of similar 11,2x60 Schüler cases from 300 win mag I can say its possible but you need some time and a lathe

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jgrabow
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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: lancaster]
#374973 - 09/03/23 05:26 AM

The existing bolt could be replaced (save the original) with a bolt modified for the 404 Jeffery case and then shoot standard rimless instead of the rebated rimmed 11.2x72 ammo. I think that's why Ian created the 440 McFarlan. Then run the 404 case through a 11.2x72 resize die and fire form.

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: jgrabow]
#374974 - 09/03/23 05:48 AM

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The existing bolt could be replaced (save the original) with a bolt modified for the 404 Jeffery case and then shoot standard rimless instead of the rebated rimmed 11.2x72 ammo. I think that's why Ian created the 440 McFarlan. Then run the 404 case through a 11.2x72 resize die and fire form.

Thats exactly what my next post was going to say. ..... easy-peasy!

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93x64mm
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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: jgrabow]
#374980 - 09/03/23 07:29 AM

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The existing bolt could be replaced (save the original) with a bolt modified for the 404 Jeffery case and then shoot standard rimless instead of the rebated rimmed 11.2x72 ammo. I think that's why Ian created the 440 McFarlan. Then run the 404 case through a 11.2x72 resize die and fire form.

Got it in one jgrabow!
No Buckstixs, I was only relaying a note I read on Page 78 below - it refers to the .425WR, but in this case if the 11.2 can be made from the same basic .404 case, then it is a viable option to keep your rifle going
http://nitroexpress.info/ezine/NickuduFiles/93x64files/BigBoreRiflesJackLott.pdf

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buckstix
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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: 93x64mm]
#374985 - 09/03/23 10:21 AM

Hello 93x64mm.

Nice copy of that magazine. I own the rifle shown on page 80 and at the bottom of page 83. Its a Custom Mauser in .458 Winchester Magnum cal. He built the rifle for Howard French, the Executive Editor of this magazine. (ref: page 2)

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: buckstix]
#375023 - 10/03/23 07:48 AM

Certainly has providence, Jack Lott worked on that one!
Great round to have anyway the .458!

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: 93x64mm]
#375026 - 10/03/23 09:25 AM

Hello 93x64mm

Here's another Mauser built by Jack Lott.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=375025&an=0&page=0#Post375025

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