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My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser
      #374726 - 03/03/23 04:24 PM

My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser

Hello All,

By now you have seen my post about the 11mm Johan Peterlongo Mauser, and my disappointment in finding it was actually an 8x57I - and not an 11mm. (see that post here) http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=374431&an=0&page=0#Post374431

Well, jgrabow a fellow Forum member on this forum, saw my plea that very same day of my post. He emailed me and generously offered to sell me his 11.2x72 original Schuler that he purchased about 15 years ago. Turns out he was also from Wisconsin. The next day I jumped in the car and drove 5 hours north to meet him. What a wonderful man. I must give a big shout-out THANK YOU to him for passing-on this wonderful treasure.

The rifle is now in its new home here with me. Here is the original ad from when he purchased the rifle. He took very good care of it and its still in the same remarkable condition as when he bought it. The rifle came with RCBS reloading dies, 35 loaded rounds, 12 empty brass, and 475 assorted bullets consisting of 125 Woodleigh, 125 SAF Raptors, and 225 assorted softs and solids.

As a side note, jgrabow also has a gorgeous 10.75x68 type B Mauser for sale.

As always, your comments are welcome.



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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: buckstix]
      #374729 - 03/03/23 04:37 PM

OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY!!!!!!

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #374732 - 03/03/23 05:42 PM

All good things come to those who are prepared to wait, and ask. Fabulous acquisition buckstix, do let us know how it shoots.

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: eagle27]
      #374733 - 03/03/23 06:46 PM

Perfect, welcome to the club !

I also own a rifle caliber 11,2x72 Schüler.

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: grandveneur]
      #374734 - 03/03/23 06:58 PM

buckstix - you must be a VERY deserving man!

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #374737 - 03/03/23 07:52 PM

That didn't take long! I'm keen to hear more about the cartridge.

I once asked about German big bores and the .404 (10.75x73) and .500 Jeffery (12.7x70 Schuler) German metric originals, what other German big bores were there? 10.75x68 of course. Hardly got any replies.

Now hearing of all these metric 11 mm plus and minus cartridges.

Need to know more.

Starting with the 11.2x72 Schuler.

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #374745 - 03/03/23 09:20 PM

Quote:

OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY!!!!!!



Not wrong! Gorgeous piece of kit there mate!
Can't wait to hear the range report on this .440" beast

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: 93x64mm]
      #374755 - 04/03/23 12:11 AM

wow....very nice!!

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: degoins]
      #374767 - 04/03/23 06:00 AM

Hey Buckstix! You definitely traded up on that deal! Very nice rifle and she came with a dowry too! Dies, cases, an assortment of bullets and even some loaded ammo to boot! And she's in such great condition! The prior owner certainly did take very good care of her. Looks to me like she was meant to be yours all along. She was just waiting for you to show up!

I'm glad you didn't settle for the other rifle. Like they say, 'Good things come to those who wait'.

Have fun with her!




J

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: FlatTop45]
      #374773 - 04/03/23 07:36 AM

Nice score!
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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: 3DogMike]
      #374790 - 04/03/23 10:27 PM

Hello All,
Thanks for the reply.

All in all, I would never have guessed that I would come to be happy that the first deal fell through. However, I'm so much happier with this one, especially since its an original August Schuler, the man that invented the 11.2x72 Schuler cartridge. If anyone has any information about August Schuler and the cartridge, please share.

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: buckstix]
      #374796 - 05/03/23 12:08 AM

I hunted with this cartridge and a rifle from Auguste Schüler, and also shot a buffalo with it.

In my personal opinion, this cartridge and the rifles for it are primarily nowadays something for collectors and aficionados. From the same time we have much better cartridges that have stood the test of time and are still being used. That doesn't mean that you cannot hunt with it, just that the rifles are a bit outdated and the cartridge is for different reasons not quite what one would expect.

The cartridge 11,2x72 Schüler is a compromise to fit in an no modified Mauser 98 System, and because of that one have to accept some disadvantages. Another problem is that nowadays there are no more suitable bullets for these cartridges and the old weapons for hunting Big game.

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: grandveneur]
      #374797 - 05/03/23 12:20 AM

Quote:

I hunted with this cartridge and a rifle from Auguste Schüler, and also shot a buffalo with it.

In my personal opinion, this cartridge and the rifles for it are primarily nowadays something for collectors and aficionados. From the same time we have much better cartridges that have stood the test of time and are still being used. That doesn't mean that you cannot hunt with it, just that the rifles are a bit outdated and the cartridge is for different reasons not quite what one would expect.

The cartridge 11,2x72 Schüler is a compromise to fit in an no modified Mauser 98 System, and because of that one have to accept some disadvantages. Another problem is that nowadays there are no more suitable bullets for these cartridges and the old weapons for hunting Big game.

Hello grandveneur,
Thanks for the reply.

Yes, I agree, and fully understand. I wanted a rifle in this caliber mostly for collecting, but still have the possibility of taking it afield.

As a side note. Can anyone tell me what these two marks are that appear on the bottom right of the barrel?



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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: buckstix]
      #374799 - 05/03/23 12:38 AM

I also bought my rifle only because of interests in the cartridge 11,2x72 Schüler.

I usually hunt DG with completely different cartridges, although the cartridge 500 Schüler also has its place. With a suitable bullet I would have any concerns about hunting DG with the cartridge 11,2x72 Schüler, although the weapon is not exactly state-of-the-art.

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: grandveneur]
      #374804 - 05/03/23 01:19 AM



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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: grandveneur]
      #374806 - 05/03/23 01:24 AM


The rifle was built in 1923 and intended for export to India. Due to its very good condition, it has probably never seen India, but has seen Africa in the 21st century.

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: grandveneur]
      #374809 - 05/03/23 01:51 AM

Quote:

As a side note. Can anyone tell me what these two marks are that appear on the bottom right of the barrel?


Noone knows for sure. There are several, very similar but differing in detail marks found on Suhl made rifles, most often double stamped as on your’s. Probaably marks of specialized gunsmithes who installed, chambered or headspaced the barrels? You may find a discussion on the German Gun Collectors forum:
https://www.germanguns.com/vb5/forum/new...hrlauffabrikant

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: grandveneur]
      #374810 - 05/03/23 02:19 AM

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The cartridge 11,2x72 Schüler is a compromise to fit in an no modified Mauser 98 System, and because of that one have to accept some disadvantages. Another problem is that nowadays there are no more suitable bullets for these cartridges and the old weapons for hunting Big game.



If Woodleigh makes them again.

67 11.2 Schuler .440" 401gr RN SN 50 .296 .325 1800-2250

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: kuduae]
      #374811 - 05/03/23 02:20 AM

The only bullet more or less suitable for big game that you could buy until recently.



LTR .458 Hornady 500gr FMJ, .458 Hornady 500gr SP, .440 Woodleigh 401gr

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: grandveneur]
      #374812 - 05/03/23 02:55 AM

GV,

What velocity do you get, 401grs, 11.2x72?

Have you tried resizing bullets down to .440? Eg .458?

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: NitroX]
      #374818 - 05/03/23 05:37 AM

The problem with this cartridge is that there is no reliable load data. I also looked at the data from Quick Load, but they all take into account a cartridge length of around 89mm,sometime much more, that does not correspond to the reality. In order to get the cartridge into the magazine, you have to set the bullet much deeper so that the OAL is ultimately only 84.5mm and a lot of powder space is lost. You can clearly see that on many pictures of this cartridge. One cannot therefore rely on the specified velocities for the various load datas.

I load the cartridge with 81gr R 903 or 86gr R 904, more powder R 904 does not go in, with an specified velocity in the last case of around 2050 fps. I didn't measure it, but for many reasons I think that it is much higher, but it won't be much more than 2250 fps or 2300 fps. The recoil is significantly stronger than that of an rifle caliber 10,75x68 and more comparable to that of an rifle caliber 404 Jeffery.

I have never tried to make bullets myself because I don't need the rifle for hunting. I have a few others rifles for that.

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: NitroX]
      #374820 - 05/03/23 07:04 AM

Quote:

Quote:



The cartridge 11,2x72 Schüler is a compromise to fit in an no modified Mauser 98 System, and because of that one have to accept some disadvantages. Another problem is that nowadays there are no more suitable bullets for these cartridges and the old weapons for hunting Big game.



If Woodleigh makes them again.

67 11.2 Schuler .440" 401gr RN SN 50 .296 .325 1800-2250



I would say Wim Degol in belgium also make .440 solftpoints, maybe also fmj

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #374822 - 05/03/23 07:17 AM

Sizing .458's down to .440" would be a daunting task in the first place & require VERY heavy machinery capable of standing much pressure, especially for heavily jacketed ones.

Bumping bullets up would be easier, require expensive dies, but there are not many jacketed .429's of sufficient weight - as in none I am aware of - 300gr. is about it.

Cast is the only way I can see and 2,000fps to perhaps 2,200fps is about perfect maximum. Then, there is the mould problem.?????

Old WW's of the crimp-on variety, made of lead, Antimony with some minor % of arsenic(needed for hardening), cast, then heated in an oven 10F below "slump" temperature, then quenched in cool water will, after a period of 12 hours attain maximum hardness of about brinel 33/34 and can be driven at ANY velocity as long as a good enough lube is used. I have done this with 275gr. .375's and driven them to 2,700fps with 1 1/2" accuracy at 100yards.
The really cool thing about these hardened WW bullets, is they are not brittle.

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #374823 - 05/03/23 07:17 AM

Wim Degol make bullets for the cartridge 11,2x60, I know that, and may be he makes to order heavy bullets for the cartridge 11,2x72. Nothing else is known to me, or it is new in its catalogue.

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Re: My search is over - my newly acquired 11.2x72 Schuler Mauser [Re: grandveneur]
      #374825 - 05/03/23 07:27 AM

One would need SP bullets with strong jackets and also FMJ bullets if one want to hunt DG.

These bullets will then become longer and more powder space will be lost. The cartridge and the weapons for it are just obsolete, that is the problem, but it doesn't matter, it's still a nice collector's item and a part of the history of big game hunting.

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