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DarylS
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Re: Since you all are fond of drivel... [Re: NitroX]
      #372980 - 09/01/23 04:23 AM

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Daryl, .303 and I are expressing sarcasm. Meaning the opposite of what is said.

I'm sure when the .300 Winchester Magnum was the "Creedmoor" of the day, it was said the .30-06 was obsolete and dead. Yet today I would guess more .30-06s would be sold than.300 Win Mags?

I expect one-day the same for the other current 100% unmentionable manbun cartridge ...




I was somewhat inebriated when I wrote that.

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Re: Since you all are fond of drivel... [Re: DarylS]
      #373004 - 10/01/23 04:09 PM

BTW I'm not knocking the .300 Win Mag. But I'd prefer the. 300 H&H Mag myself.

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Re: Since you all are fond of drivel... [Re: sharps4590]
      #373086 - 13/01/23 05:42 AM

Got to have something to fill the pages, between the articles proclaiming the latest and greatest plastic pistol.

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Re: Since you all are fond of drivel... [Re: yamoon]
      #373110 - 13/01/23 02:41 PM

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Got to have something to fill the pages, between the articles proclaiming the latest and greatest plastic pistol.




Yep. Shame these magazines do not reprint some of the good articles from years gone by. Like the letter Jack Weaver wrote to one of the mags explaining how the Weaver stance came about and exactly what it was. Every article I have read about his stance is wrong going by Jack. Just an example of what the magazines could do better in my view.


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Re: Since you all are fond of drivel... [Re: sharps4590]
      #373111 - 13/01/23 04:02 PM

There needs to be someone willing to write an article comparing old gunwriters Vrs modern ones

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Re: Since you all are fond of drivel... [Re: 458Win]
      #373114 - 13/01/23 06:10 PM

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There needs to be someone willing to write an article comparing old gunwriters Vrs modern ones




A problem with the internet, is volume and speed.

Short articles, quickly and poorly written, to fill space, to sell advertising. Not a monthly, quarterly or gGod forbid Annual printed magazine, but daily. On social media a page or group without several new posts a day dies quickly in the algorithms.

The writer's need to pump out dozens of articles a month.

Short articles also don't examine a subject well and thoroughly.

Photos and images. Instead of taking hundreds, even thousands of ones own original material. Sorting, editing, culling. Making the photos tell a story along with the print, just stick any crap as illustrations. Steak someone else's hard work.

Sames as news media. Poorly quickly written. Without research and real fact checking. Has to be out quickly. As it's on the net, just edit it galore as time ticks over. Sometimes the end result is completely different from the first edition ..

Film. DVDs rarely made today. Seems to be shorter little films nowadays? For the internet. Can people still make real money making hunting films today? Unless one can sell to some paying channel?

Thankfully we still have books! So far.

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Re: Since you all are fond of drivel... [Re: NitroX]
      #373405 - 22/01/23 11:58 AM

I always wondered about .318s in a .323 bore. A while back I got a good deal on some Woodleigh 200 gr RNSN .318s and some 196 RNSN .323 so I decided to test it.

Since I didn't have a lot of bullets, I took some shortcuts. I used new brass, went straight to near-max loads with IMR 4350 (about 2,500 fps), and only shot 5 shot groups. I sandbagged the rifles on the bench, and fired a shot every couple minutes to let the barrels cool a bit. Test guns were a K98k with iron sights, and a Remington 700 Classic (old Weaver T6 scope).

The K98k averaged about 2" with either bullet at 100 yards, the groups overlapped about 60%. The Remington 700 gave me separate groups, around 1" for the .323s and around 1.125" for the .318s.

I'd hunt with either of them in my 8x57.


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Re: Since you all are fond of drivel... [Re: Jim_C]
      #373418 - 23/01/23 05:08 AM

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I always wondered about .318s in a .323 bore. A while back I got a good deal on some Woodleigh 200 gr RNSN .318s and some 196 RNSN .323 so I decided to test it.

Since I didn't have a lot of bullets, I took some shortcuts. I used new brass, went straight to near-max loads with IMR 4350 (about 2,500 fps), and only shot 5 shot groups. I sandbagged the rifles on the bench, and fired a shot every couple minutes to let the barrels cool a bit. Test guns were a K98k with iron sights, and a Remington 700 Classic (old Weaver T6 scope).

The K98k averaged about 2" with either bullet at 100 yards, the groups overlapped about 60%. The Remington 700 gave me separate groups, around 1" for the .323s and around 1.125" for the .318s.

I'd hunt with either of them in my 8x57.




Interesting. Thanks.

A military advantage might be the ability to use older ammo in the new rifles. Logistics is always a big ammo issue.

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Re: Since you all are fond of drivel... [Re: Jim_C]
      #373427 - 23/01/23 05:47 AM

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I always wondered about .318s in a .323 bore. A while back I got a good deal on some Woodleigh 200 gr RNSN .318s and some 196 RNSN .323 so I decided to test it.

Since I didn't have a lot of bullets, I took some shortcuts. I used new brass, went straight to near-max loads with IMR 4350 (about 2,500 fps), and only shot 5 shot groups. I sandbagged the rifles on the bench, and fired a shot every couple minutes to let the barrels cool a bit. Test guns were a K98k with iron sights, and a Remington 700 Classic (old Weaver T6 scope).

The K98k averaged about 2" with either bullet at 100 yards, the groups overlapped about 60%. The Remington 700 gave me separate groups, around 1" for the .323s and around 1.125" for the .318s.

I'd hunt with either of them in my 8x57.




The 9.3x57 Husky I had, had a normal bore diameter of .358", but had .370" groove diameter.
I used .365" normal 9.3's in it as well as sized down .375's to .367" in 235gr.Speer SRN and 300gr.Hornady RN's.
All bullets, whether 232" Norma, 270gr. Speer, 293gr. TUG's, or the sized down .375's all went into individual groups of 1" to 1 1/2" at 100 meters, spread over approximately 2" of vertical space on the target, with the 235gr. and .232gr. being the highest striking & 300's being the lowest.
Currently, the ammo for that rifle is loaded with 286gr. Norma Alaskan RN's at 2,200fps.

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