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A Jeffery Double in 600 NE
      #373277 - 19/01/23 06:07 AM

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W.J.Jeffery's Iconic Double .600 Nitro Express At Westley Richards



January 17, 2023

W.J.Jeffery's Iconic Double .600 Nitro Express At Westley Richards
The 1920s were pivotal years for British gunmakers. November 1st 1920 saw the first licence requirement imposed on civilians for the ownership, possession and transfer of rifles, pistols and their ammunition. Before that date, Englishmen were as free to own firearms without restriction as are today's Texans.

By Westley Richards & Co.

The Wall Street Crash was a decade away and the demand for beautifully embellished sporting guns from Indian princes was at its height. American orders were becoming increasingly important and the African Safari was as much a right of passage for the well-heeled as had been The Grand Tour for their parents. The horrors of the First World War gave way to the optimism of the next generation, as 1914's teenagers gained their majority and entered society. Jazz, motor cars, American movies and travel by luxury liner seemed to epitomise the modern world.

Overseas, the German and Ottoman empires were carved up among the victorious allies and the world order might have looked deceptively glossy to the average Briton.



A surviving catalogue from the firm W.J. Jeffery & Co. Ltd. reflects the heady sporting environment, with rifles and shotguns illustrated and described for all manner of game at home and abroad. Rifles began with the increasingly popular .22 rimfire (short and long) and ran the gamut through .280, .333 and .404 up to the most fearsome double rifle of the day; the .600 Jeffery.

Not only do we have an original 1920 catalogue here illustrating and describing this behemoth, we have a rare and beautifully original example of the very rifle, built in 1923. Though an innovator, Jeffery's set-up was not a gunmaking factory, so all rifles bearing the name were made elsewhere in the trade, to order. The distinctive action-back shape of this rifle indicates the maker was probably Daniel Leonard. Not all these .600s are the same, many have plain boxlock actions with a straight line where wood joins metal, one example that has previously passed through Westley Richards was built on a sidelock action.



The rifle pictured here is heavy, short, squat and business-like, clearly intended for short range work in thick cover, a situation in which a hunter might need to knock off its feet anything with malign intent against his person. Before we inspect the rifle, we should examine the cartridge for which it was built. It is one of the all time icons of double rifle development.

The 3" drawn brass case holds 100 grains of Cordite and launches a 900 grain bullet at 2,050 fps, delivering a massive 7,600 ft lbs of striking force. For comparison, a 4-bore with 14 drams of black powder behind it only achieves 7,000 ft lbs. The .600 was the undisputed champion of stopping rifles. Jeffery actually made some .600's proofed for 120 grains of Cordite (though I know of only one in existence).



Though not as popular as the .577 NE, which John Taylor preferred, claiming better penetration, Jeffery did make a fair number of .600's and in later years other makers did likewise, notably Holland & Holland who built their 'last .600' in 1975, and for almost 100 years it was the biggest commercially available double nitro-express rifle. At a cost sixty-five pounds in 1912, it was more expensive than a best quality sidelock to purchase.

The 1923 rifle we have here is stamped for the 100 grain powder load and a 900 grain bullet (solid nose 'No 2. pattern' and soft nose 'No.1 pattern' variants were available). Jeffery helpfully advised; 'the .600 is the perfect weapon for jungle or elephant shooting as anything hit with its 900 grain bullet is usually knocked over on the spot'.

This rifle has 24" barrels and 14" stock length to centre, making it 40 1/4" from muzzle to heel. The action is massive The bar is 2 1/2" across and the fences measure 2 3/4". It stands 2 3/8" high. Jeffery built these rifles on snap under-lever actions by design, claiming 'it is a far stronger mechanism than the top-lever, and it admits nearly ten times as much pressure being applied to withdraw the bolt'.

At 4 3/4" circumference, the wrist looks slim by modern standards, though the steeply-pitched pistol grip is bolstered by a long guard strap, abutting a steel grip cap. The chopper-lump barrels have a stippled quarter rib, standing fifty-yard rear sight and folding leaves for 100 and 200 yards, which are surely redundant. The foresight is a conventional ramp and blade.



The action and barrels are locked by a combination of the Purdey under-bolt and a Westley Richards doll's head, jointed on the circle but without a sliding top-bolt. Build quality is first class and the action and furniture fully scroll engraved. The metal work remains in very good order, showing little wear, and a good percentage of case colour remains.

The wood is dark, straight-grained and unremarkable but this rifle is no show-pony, it was made to handle massive recoil and do its business in the dark, dirty corners of Africa, where strength trumped ostentation by some margin. The orange rubber Silver's pad and spacer make up 7/8" of the 14" length and are now somewhat degraded by time.

The, rather stubby, forend houses the ejectors and is secured by an Anson push-rod forend release (others have a lever grip-catch). Sling eyes located on barrels and stock make for easier carriage, which would be a blessing in the African heat, for the rifle weighs 15 1/2 lbs.

Jeffery advised buyers to opt for a non-automatic safety, warning 'When a sportsman is hurried, it is very likely that he will put the rifle to his shoulder without thinking about pushing forward the safety slide, whereas with a non-automatic that difficulty is overcome.' However, this example has an automatic safety. So, the buyer clearly had his own ideas on what suited him best.



Some of the personal recommendations cited within the catalogues speak of a long-past era. One in which dangerous game was plentiful and generally considered a pest, rather than a valued resource. Mr Karl Larssen recalled "I have up to date shot fifty two elephants, six lions and many other animals that are too numerous to mention. With the .600 rifle I lost only one bull out of thirty six that I killed (shot at)". Such an extensive trial is surely a reliable testament to the efficacy of the rifle and cartridge in real life conditions.

Larssen was not the only aficionado. Among other renowned .600 users we can count Bror Blixen, John Taylor and Major Powell Cotton. Westley Richards still get the occasional order for this calibre. A twenty-year-old example revisited the factory last year. For some it will always be the ultimate stopper. For others, it is a bit 'too much', with the size and weight penalties not worth any perceived advantage over a .577.

For the modern collector, these huge, rare rifles represent something of a Holy Grail. If you can find one in good order, it will cost you in excess of $100,000. For a modern hunter commissioning this, most impressive of all the nitro express rifles, for an elephant hunt, a new one offers the opportunity to go afield with something few men alive have seen and fewer still have fired.

By Westley Richards & Co


Edited to add commentary and images.


Edited by NitroX (02/08/23 04:11 AM)


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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #373278 - 19/01/23 06:28 AM

Oh - that's nice, beautiful actually, but like the .460 WTBY, it is just too powerful for Canada - it frightens the Politicians so it's prohibited as it exceeds 10,000joules - by 300 of them in factory guise.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: DarylS]
      #373280 - 19/01/23 06:38 AM

One awesome rifle there - now 100 years young!

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: 93x64mm]
      #373288 - 19/01/23 11:57 AM

Gorgeous Rifle!

Thanks for sharing.



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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: FlatTop45]
      #373352 - 21/01/23 10:51 AM

That’s what a Double rifle is supposed to look like !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: bwanabobftw]
      #373374 - 21/01/23 08:27 PM

I think one of our members has a Jeffery .600 NE dr. I have a photo of Graham Williams holding the borrowed rifle at a BGRC Nationals shoot in Darwin a few years ago.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #373753 - 02/02/23 03:01 PM

This is why I come here!

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: luv2safari]
      #373780 - 02/02/23 11:36 PM

I am fascinated by the versatility of the 600 NE ROUND. WILL SOON HAVE 3 doubles in hand. Sadly not a Jeffery. That will be my next challenge.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: Ahmed577]
      #373792 - 03/02/23 10:49 AM

Quote:

I am fascinated by the versatility of the 600 NE ROUND. WILL SOON HAVE 3 doubles in hand. Sadly not a Jeffery. That will be my next challenge.




Graham Williams had one of yours. If not a Jeffery, an H&H?

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: DarylS]
      #373861 - 06/02/23 02:00 AM

Quote:

Oh - that's nice, beautiful actually, but like the .460 WTBY, it is just too powerful for Canada - it frightens the Politicians so it's prohibited as it exceeds 10,000joules - by 300 of them in factory guise.




So your criminals use $100,000.00 rifles?

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: Longknife]
      #373948 - 08/02/23 04:41 AM

A 1907 photo of a Jeffery .600 NE in the hands of German Hans Schomburgh, 1880 – 1967, taken while he was in the then North Rhodesia – Angola – Belgian Congo area. He wears that kilt because all his trousers fell victim to the bush. I will post more on him and photos from his books later in the African Vintage pic thread on the Hunting in Africa forum.


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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: DarylS]
      #373949 - 08/02/23 04:49 AM

Quote:

Oh - that's nice, beautiful actually, but like the .460 WTBY, it is just too powerful for Canada - it frightens the Politicians so it's prohibited as it exceeds 10,000joules - by 300 of them in factory guise.




Is the government afraid that the user would kill off all the Canadian elephants?

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: kuduae]
      #373977 - 08/02/23 04:15 PM

Quote:

A 1907 photo of a Jeffery .600 NE in the hands of German Hans Schomburgh, 1880 – 1967, taken while he was in the then North Rhodesia – Angola – Belgian Congo area. He wears that kilt because all his trousers fell victim to the bush. I will post more on him and photos from his books later in the African Vintage pic thread on the Hunting in Africa forum.




Wunderbar, Kuduae. Yes please.

A kilt is better than Herr Schomburgh doing a John Taylor!

Btw that kilt might be a pair of trousers cut and worn upside down?

I know the feeling. In the Top End hunting buffalo with Curl one of my pair of shorts ended up ripped almost from leg hem to belt on one side. Nice and airy that day.

I can see that if in the bush for months, thorns and Hardwear, a safari sewing kit would be essential.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: NitroX]
      #376669 - 13/05/23 01:37 AM

The Westley Richards blog says "the distinctive action-back shape of this rifle indicates the maker was probably Daniel Leonard".
Leonard's, gunmakers in Birmingham, England made a number of N.E. Double Rifles "for the Trade" including W.J. Jeffery & A. Hollis - I have identified 21 N.E. Double Rifles that are "Leonard-made" for W.J. Jeffery (14 guns) & Hollis (7 guns). An Leonard-made Jeffery .600 N.E. Double Rifle was sold by Rock Island Auction in 2007 for US$43k.
Rusty Knight (R.I.P. 2022) & "400NitroExpress" (R.I.P.) and R. Nolan Keiler did a lot of research on the Leonard-made N.E. Double Rifles. They identified that a Leonard-made Double Rifle had a 3 or 4 digit Makers Number stamped on the barrels under-rib just forward of the fore-end lug & the same number also stamped on the action underneath the bottom action plate. If it was a "finished" gun then that number was also stamped in ink on wood on the interior of the stock where it joins the action & under the forearm metal. Harry Leonard was a son of Daniel Leonard. The firm started in 1832, changed its name to Daniel Leonard & Sons in 1866, and ceased trading in 1966 after 134 years of gunmaking on the death of 3rd generation Charles Leonard (no sons).


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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: ChrisCoade]
      #376681 - 13/05/23 11:26 AM

Chris:
Welcome to the forums!

As you will probably know the existing W.J.Jeffery & Co workshop records show the maker and date.
The .400NE double that I have been trying to wear out over the past few decades was made by Charles Leonard in Feb 1939.

All ten firearms on the same page of the ledger were made by Leonards, one by Harry (July 1938) and the rest by Charles, although only 3 were double rifles.

Hope this is of interest.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: Marrakai]
      #376695 - 14/05/23 01:29 AM

Chris,

Very interesting information about Leonard. I knew that many, if not most, of the guns sold by the likes of Jeffery, Hollis, & others, were made by other firms that manufactured for the trade.

Marrakai,

I didn't realize that the Jeffery records still exist. How do I see the records for my two Jeffery rifles?

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: 85lc]
      #376701 - 14/05/23 09:36 AM

85lc:
Its not a simple process, and you should search these forums for the current status of the records and protocol for researching your Jeffery rifles. Pretty sure its been discussed/updated in the last few years.
I went through Paul Roberts in the UK years ago, when he was collating requests and forwarding them to Thomas Friedkin in the US, who owned the Jeffery name, maybe twice a year iirc.

Note that the sale register no longer exists, only the workshop records. Can't remember the reason but maybe tossed out during a cleanup following the London Blitz?

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: Marrakai]
      #376727 - 15/05/23 02:37 PM

A note as to the existing Jeffery records:
True what Tony/Marrakai says, there are several posts by myself here on the forums referencing the W. J. Jeffery daybooks and their whereabouts.

The surviving records consist of the company "daybooks" (workbooks) and are not sales records. These are privately held and are (or were) very closely held for the last few years.

Some years ago Paul Roberts (John Roberts & Son) did in fact hold the daybooks and at that time the records were relatively easy to get information from.

Fast forward and the daybooks were sold to Thomas Friedkin (The Friedkin Group) of Houston, Texas. The records became privately held and the daybook info was fairly difficult (really VERY difficult) to obtain.

Thomas Friedkin passed in 2017, but his heirs & Friedkin Group continued to hold the Jeffery daybooks and any info was via request to the Friedkin Group. Any records search was usually carried out maybe twice a year when a company rep would travel to visit the place where the daybooks were kept.
If you did manage to contact the right person at The Friedkin Group they were quite cordial and happy to assist the search for info on particular Jeffery serial numbers.

I have "heard" that there is an effort ongoing to make these daybooks more accessible, however I don't know if this is fact or vain hope.

No, I do not have any current contact info for the relevant people at The Friedkin Group if they in fact even have the records any longer.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: 3DogMike]
      #376732 - 15/05/23 05:39 PM

So a little information which can be added to this post.

Jeffery guns are once again being produced in the UK by a Richard Aniston-Newgrass who has taken gun production back from the US (Reto Buhler was making them in the US for a period of time)

Fieldsports Magazine Volume VI, Issue III has an article in there showing the new guns being produced in 404 and 500 Jeffery to start with. they are magnificent. Hopefully some smaller cartridges are also produced over time.

Whether he now owns the books that go with it there is no mention of but contacting him might answer that question.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: 3DogMike]
      #376735 - 15/05/23 05:50 PM

OK when I win lotto I'll buy them .... Why do people buy stuff and then want it completely private. I've had people say they own some old firearm now and want the public photos on the forums deleted. Imagine how sad museums would be with only locked doors for any one from the public.

I have no information about my Zabardast, my .450 no.2 NE W.J. Jeffery. I also would like any historical information from registers, day books etc. Anyone who could assist, would be appreciated.


PS I imagine with only serial numbers, maybe proof marks, the day books might need a page by page search, trying to range down the day periods, Obviously more efficient tondo bigger batches all at a time. Makes sense, a couple of times per year.

If I had such in my control, I'd make an online form with all the required information to be listed and a handling fee payable for the person's time. A couple of times a year for efficiency. It's really nice gunmakers will still often provide such a service from their records. Great extended customer service!

It would be nice to know at least the first owner. I wonder if Westley Richards can go back to the 1870s?

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #376736 - 15/05/23 05:52 PM

Quote:

So a little information which can be added to this post.

Jeffery guns are once again being produced in the UK by a Richard Aniston-Newgrass who has taken gun production back from the US (Reto Buhler was making them in the US for a period of time)

Fieldsports Magazine Volume VI, Issue III has an article in there showing the new guns being produced in 404 and 500 Jeffery to start with. they are magnificent. Hopefully some smaller cartridges are also produced over time.

Whether he now owns the books that go with it there is no mention of but contacting him might answer that question.

Matt.




Excellent.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: NitroX]
      #376746 - 16/05/23 07:04 AM

Guys,

Thanks. For me, it looks like trying to get info out of the the Friedkin Group is a difficult task as the "Group" is not a singular firm but is 16 companies (see: https://www.friedkin.com/companies), none of which seem to be related to Jeffery.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: 85lc]
      #376754 - 16/05/23 04:27 PM

Quote:

Guys,

Thanks. For me, it looks like trying to get info out of the the Friedkin Group is a difficult task as the "Group" is not a singular firm but is 16 companies (see: https://www.friedkin.com/companies), none of which seem to be related to Jeffery.




There's an email address and a phone number at the bottom. Perhaps a place to start?

If you find out I'd like to put in a request as well. Thanks.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: NitroX]
      #376756 - 17/05/23 12:00 AM

John and others,

I sent an email to the Friedkin Group. Lets ee if I get an answer. If so and they are agreeable to providing info, I will coordinate getting info from the daybook for your guns.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: 85lc]
      #376759 - 17/05/23 02:28 AM

I believe that I have success!! I will start another tab to discuss get info from all about Jeffery guns.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: 85lc]
      #376762 - 17/05/23 03:41 AM

Good news that 85lc has made contact with the Friedkin Group for access to the remaining Jeffery records. I have now identified 25 Leonard-made N.E. Double Rifles with the most numerous being Twelve .450/.400 N.E. and then Four .475 No.2 and only One in .600 N.E.
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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: ChrisCoade]
      #376775 - 17/05/23 06:59 PM

Well done Gentlemen.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: 85lc]
      #378183 - 31/07/23 01:42 AM

Jeffery 600 NE

Gentlemen, I have on hand a few more pictures and stories for your viewing pleasure about Jeffery double rifles and especially that December 1902 delivered 600 NE Jeffery no.12431 with 28 inch barrels made by Saunders for Jeffery, photographed with Hans Schomburgk by Lemming in 1907.

This 6th build 600 NE is the only one by any maker to have been proofed for 120 Grain Cordite, this special load recorded in the Jeffery ledger, thus making it effectively the unique and most powerful double rifle of the professional elephant hunting era.

Enjoyed by 5 owners and 8 users between 1902 to date, it is still in top condition, regularly serviced, its action tight as a bank vault and is still happily used for its intended purpose, dangerous big game hunting.

Its first owner was Karl Larsen shot with it at least 52 elephants (some report several hundreds), 6 rhinos, and in an incredible shooting feat, a pride of 7 lions with 9 shots in 2 minutes. The lion hide trophies and the story of that charge was used in the Jeffery catalogue for several decades, his 600 NE recognizable on his right side. Larsen’s endorsement about Jeffery rifle quality was also used by Jeffery for decades in their catalogues. Following a difficult hunting season, he sold that Jeffery to Schomburgk in 1907, in exchange for cash and a .400 double rifle of unknown make. A man of big build, he reordered from Jeffery another 600 NE no.22368 for 75.0 Guinea and 450-400 no.22369 double rifle for 70.0 Guinea, both made by Leonard with 28 inch barrels and delivered June 1913. Interestingly, the Jeffery ledger recorded a 1902 sales price of 50.0 Guinea for 600NE no.12431.

Its second owner was Hans Schomburgk, the most celebrated German Africa explorer until his death in 1967, who shot 63 elephants, several buffalos, rhinos and other game with it before the first World War. His hunting stories with that Jeffery were extensively recorded and pictured in over 45 books, magazines and even seen in the first ever documentary about Africa bush life, filmed prior to the first World War.
That Jeffery was also used occasionally for elephant hunting by Schomburgk's hunting partner, Lammond Hemming during Schomburgk's frequent travels to Europe.

Its third but first recorded owner in the Jeffery ledger, was the French Senator Henri Chamault, who purchased the Jeffery in the London store around 1924 for 100.0 Guinea and hunted frequently elephants with it in his plantation in Cameroun.

Its fourth owner was the American tycoon F.P. Williamson. He purchased that 600 NE no.12431 directly from the Jeffery store in London in 1952 for 150.0 Guineas, he is the last Jeffery ledger recorded owner. He used it in Africa with Kerr & Downey safari and wrote about his hunting experience with a 600 in American Rifleman 1956. His name is still embossed on the lid of the original Jeffery gun case, fantastique original airline stickers still present, at a time unthinkable nowadays when you could travel safely with your gun as hand carried luggage inside airline cabins.

The Jeffery was purchased from the Williamson estate and retuned successfully the following year to the Okawongo Delta for elephant and buffalo hunting the traditional way. 3 weeks of mostly tracking on foot carrying the 16lbs gun from sunrise to dawn, or until daily supply water runs out, charged several times and sleeping under tents. Grandiose, the Jeffery really enjoyed it…

Despite its colourful, much travelled, often hair-raising and life-saving adventures of the past 121 years, more hunting trips are in the planning for Jeffery no.12431 which is enjoying meanwhile a much deserved and cherished life in company of other special African calibre British double rifles.





























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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: Rodd]
      #378203 - 31/07/23 06:58 AM

What a beautiful rifle !!!!!!! Thank you so much for sharing the rifle and the excellent documentation.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: bwanabobftw]
      #378207 - 31/07/23 08:06 AM

Rodd,

Thank you for the very informative post with great pictures.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: 85lc]
      #378214 - 31/07/23 10:09 PM

Interesting post.

I knew one part from the Jeffery catalogue season 1912-13 and from a paper from Harald Wolf from the Magazine HATARI TIMES N°6.

As owner of a DR of this caliber, a brief note on the cartridges caliber 600 Nitro Express used at the time. That this DR was regulated by Jeffery with 120gr Cordite might be, but I am not so sure if this load was really used.

If you look at the illustration of the cartridge in Jeffery's catalogue, you can see on the picture that the load has been corrected from 120gr Cordite to 100gr Cordite. This would also be more in line with the trend at Jeffery, a company that has always been wary of overpressure with cartridges in tropical areas. Taylor also only mentions in his famous book the classic 110gr and 100gr loads for this cartridge, and nowadays Kynoch also only loads the cartridges 600 Nitro Express with a 110gr Cordite-equivalent load.

I think that at that time the 100gr load was used above all for hunting in Africa and India, a load which, according to Taylor, makes no difference to the stronger 110gr load when hunting. From personal experience I can confirm that a 100gr Cordite-equivalent load is also more comfortable to shoot.


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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: Rodd]
      #378261 - 02/08/23 04:31 AM

Quote:

Jeffery 600 NE

Gentlemen, I have on hand a few more pictures and stories for your viewing pleasure about Jeffery double rifles and especially that December 1902 delivered 600 NE Jeffery no.12431 with 28 inch barrels made by Saunders for Jeffery, photographed with Hans Schomburgk by Lemming in 1907.

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Images added to archive. Rodd, Thanks for posting.

Also opening post. Thanks Matt.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: NitroX]
      #378269 - 02/08/23 09:20 AM

Marvellous stuff, Rodd!
Excellent post, on one of the Hunting Field's all-time great rifles.

Thanks for posting

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: Marrakai]
      #378299 - 03/08/23 05:48 AM

And I hope she has a lot more adventures as well!
Well done Rod, hope to hear of them in the future here.


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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: Rodd]
      #378319 - 03/08/23 09:02 PM

Quote:

Jeffery 600 NE

Gentlemen, I have on hand a few more pictures and stories for your viewing pleasure about Jeffery double rifles and especially that December 1902 delivered 600 NE Jeffery no.12431 with 28 inch barrels made by Saunders for Jeffery, photographed with Hans Schomburgk by Lemming in 1907.

This 6th build 600 NE is the only one by any maker to have been proofed for 120 Grain Cordite, this special load recorded in the Jeffery ledger, thus making it effectively the unique and most powerful double rifle of the professional elephant hunting era.

Enjoyed by 5 owners and 8 users between 1902 to date, it is still in top condition, regularly serviced, its action tight as a bank vault and is still happily used for its intended purpose, dangerous big game hunting.

Its first owner was Karl Larsen shot with it at least 52 elephants (some report several hundreds), 6 rhinos, and in an incredible shooting feat, a pride of 7 lions with 9 shots in 2 minutes. The lion hide trophies and the story of that charge was used in the Jeffery catalogue for several decades, his 600 NE recognizable on his right side. Larsen’s endorsement about Jeffery rifle quality was also used by Jeffery for decades in their catalogues. Following a difficult hunting season, he sold that Jeffery to Schomburgk in 1907, in exchange for cash and a .400 double rifle of unknown make. A man of big build, he reordered from Jeffery another 600 NE no.22368 for 75.0 Guinea and 450-400 no.22369 double rifle for 70.0 Guinea, both made by Leonard with 28 inch barrels and delivered June 1913. Interestingly, the Jeffery ledger recorded a 1902 sales price of 50.0 Guinea for 600NE no.12431.

Its second owner was Hans Schomburgk, the most celebrated German Africa explorer until his death in 1967, who shot 63 elephants, several buffalos, rhinos and other game with it before the first World War. His hunting stories with that Jeffery were extensively recorded and pictured in over 45 books, magazines and even seen in the first ever documentary about Africa bush life, filmed prior to the first World War.
That Jeffery was also used occasionally for elephant hunting by Schomburgk's hunting partner, Lammond Hemming during Schomburgk's frequent travels to Europe.

Its third but first recorded owner in the Jeffery ledger, was the French Senator Henri Chamault, who purchased the Jeffery in the London store around 1924 for 100.0 Guinea and hunted frequently elephants with it in his plantation in Cameroun.

Its fourth owner was the American tycoon F.P. Williamson. He purchased that 600 NE no.12431 directly from the Jeffery store in London in 1952 for 150.0 Guineas, he is the last Jeffery ledger recorded owner. He used it in Africa with Kerr & Downey safari and wrote about his hunting experience with a 600 in American Rifleman 1956. His name is still embossed on the lid of the original Jeffery gun case, fantastique original airline stickers still present, at a time unthinkable nowadays when you could travel safely with your gun as hand carried luggage inside airline cabins.

The Jeffery was purchased from the Williamson estate and retuned successfully the following year to the Okawongo Delta for elephant and buffalo hunting the traditional way. 3 weeks of mostly tracking on foot carrying the 16lbs gun from sunrise to dawn, or until daily supply water runs out, charged several times and sleeping under tents. Grandiose, the Jeffery really enjoyed it…

Despite its colourful, much travelled, often hair-raising and life-saving adventures of the past 121 years, more hunting trips are in the planning for Jeffery no.12431 which is enjoying meanwhile a much deserved and cherished life in company of other special African calibre British double rifles.






Wonderful to be able to tell the story of such a rifle, more or less from its beginning to the current day.

Also such a prestigious and colourful history.

And also instead of it gathering dust in a collection, carried afield in the hunting lands of its youth. Wunderbar. So well done.

I hope you have more photos to share.

One negative note. I've a 13 1/4 lb Jeffery DR, my resultant pleasant to shoot .450 No.2 NE. I've carried it fine for many miles, but it's a weight to first pick up. Now a 16 lb rifle is even more a hefty lump of steel. I've shot a .600 several times. Manageable. But I shot only one round at a time. And wisely it had hammers, so one can cock one barrel at a time.

Shooting the nine rounds at seven lions in two minutes,the strong biceps and shoulders to carry it, might be needed for the serial compounding recoil effect. The 16 lbs should make it "milder".

Impressive story and rifle.

A real rifle, for the real man!

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: NitroX]
      #378331 - 04/08/23 08:26 AM

A very interesting thread, many thanks for the posts

My own limited experience was when I stayed with Cal Pappas for the Alsaka DR shoot some years ago

Shooting his .600 NE (in his garden/back yard) was different!

Recoil (see an earlier response) was more than "stout" it was BRUTAL even with a recoil pad
(I am only 160lbs and skinny and OLD!!) but I would not have missed it for the world

The welcome and friendliness from all the guys there will stay with me forever

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: TH44]
      #378332 - 04/08/23 10:25 AM

"This 6th build 600 NE is the only one by any maker to have been proofed for 120 Grain Cordite, this special load recorded in the Jeffery ledger, thus making it effectively the unique and most powerful double rifle of the professional elephant hunting era."

I'm not sure this is correct.
I've seen one Jeffery 600 which is purported to be the very first one made and it has the 120/900 proofs on the flats but 100/900 on the barrels.
85lc is kindly adding the rifle to his inquiry to his Fiedkin contact so we can see what's what with that particular rifle.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: Huvius]
      #378333 - 04/08/23 03:07 PM

It is above all about the history of this double rifle.

In all probability no one fired ammunition loaded with 120gr of Cordite. There was no such ammunition.

On the same page of the catalog Jeffery write that this weapon uses cartridges loaded with 100gr of Cordite.


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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: grandveneur]
      #378334 - 04/08/23 08:03 PM

I wonder how regulation goes with 120,110, 100grs cordite ammunition changes?

If regulated for the 120 grs cordite,but only can source 100 grs cordite?

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: NitroX]
      #378340 - 04/08/23 09:10 PM

I think it was just the proof test.

These weapons were imho regulated with the 100gr load of Cordite. Jeffery has always been afraid of overpressure of cartridges in tropical areas.


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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: grandveneur]
      #378344 - 04/08/23 09:43 PM

From the ".577vs .600" thread:

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David shooting his .600 NE.










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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: NitroX]
      #378345 - 04/08/23 09:45 PM





David is a light slim guy. However he does shoot the rifle well and hits the target. The recoil also moves him more than a bit!

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: grandveneur]
      #378362 - 05/08/23 03:45 AM

Quote:

I think it was just the proof test.

These weapons were imho regulated with the 100gr load of Cordite. Jeffery has always been afraid of overpressure of cartridges in tropical areas.




That’s how I understand it as well.
120gr for proof and 100gr for regulation.

This, I imagine, is the early method and iirc, the later 600s had a proof and regulation charge of 100gr.
Perhaps only the the first few had a proof at 120grs.

Cal’s book should clear this up but I don’t have a copy.

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Re: A Jeffery Double in 600 NE [Re: Huvius]
      #378393 - 06/08/23 01:51 AM

Thank you Huvius for your initiative about the Jeffery records: previous 600 NE information came mostly from rare Jeffery ledger pages, some British gun books and the late Cal Pappas book on the subject. His Jeffery chapter seems quite complete, with full word by word transcription of all 600 NE DR and SS recorded in the Jeffery ledger between 1900 to 1929 - yet only one 120 grains service charge Jeffery is recorded.

Regarding that 120 Grains Cordite load which seems to be quite unsettling to some, British proof house rules are very strict and regulated since 1637 but can be confusing. Once a gun has passed proof, in addition to caliber, only maximum service load - which is also the regulation load - are stamped on the barrel flats above each barrel. Annexed a 360 DR barrel flat picture and a simplified explanation of Gun Proof and Gun Marks in England, both under the Rules of 1896 and those of 1904, in practice until after the 1920’s (Gun Digest 1977), whereas “If proofed for nitro loads, they were fired with Cordite proof cartridges generating at least 30% excess stress, and the maximum service load was stamped”.

The misconception that the 120 grains service load is actually the proof charge is again battered by simple mathematics. Following Proof Rules, if 30% charge was added for proof to the lowest 100 Grain service load, what resulting charge should be stamped on the barrels flats ?
In the case of the well-known 577 NE full charge, often also called and stamped 577-100-750, which number correspond to what ?

And Jeffery did use for several years the cartridge description 600 – 120 – 900. The annexed picture is from an original Jeffery catalogue with glued-in 1927 price list. Jeffery was also what is nowadays described as a good marketing man and this Jeffery is the heaviest produced and the first of only 2 with 28 inch barrels. Marketing gimmick to claim more speed and power from that combination ?

To explain in a simple manner the 1900 period Proof Rules, on hand 4 DR barrel flats in picture : that 1902 120 grs 600 under 1896 Rules, a 1913 577 NE (577-100-750) with Birmingham proof after 1904, a 1911 476 NE and a 1912 470 NE, both with London Proof after 1904.

Factually there is a good chance that 100, 110 or even 120 grains cordite does not make any big difference with a 600 under hunting conditions, even head-on charges.

Did Karamanjo Bell not kill 1000 elephants with his 7x57 ? Shooting red deer stags in rut in Europe with the small 5.6x50R barrel of my Bergstützen also cleanly bags game to 150 yards with puny 60 grains bullets. But with today’s rage about Magnum calibers and long distance shooting, is it still true that a small bullet of proper construction in the right place is more effective than a big bullet missing it ? So what is all the fuss about a few extra grains of Cordite ?

What ammunition did Larsen hand over to Schomburgk when he sold this Jeffery ? Which load did the other owners used ? Except for Williamson who wrote about his solid bullets not reaching the brain of an elephant, riveting or braking up due to a post-war change in solid bullet construction (American Rifleman 1956) we know nothing about the powder charge used.

But honestly, who cares ? They all hunted the Big Five in very remote areas, exposed to bush illnesses, ambush by natives, snakes and such plus no helicopter rescue possible. Yet they all survived the many dangerous encounters with interesting stories to tell and trophies to show, somehow it must have worked for all of them in one way or another ?

The book “The history and development of small arms ammunition” is the only one I have seen to date which pictures a probable 120 Grain loaded Jeffery 600 NE cartridge box. Let’s not forget that Jeffery was also a cartridge inventor who chose to release the 600 to the trade, not just a user of the 600. He had certainly direct access to the development department of Kynoch, Eley and others at that time.

Sharing pictures of vintage hunting guns, experiences and adventures of past in oftentimes unexplored and uncharted territory, with the help of one of the guns unmistakably pictured and documented over decades by its different owners was the idea.

Is it safe to assume that none of us were first hand involved with the 600 development around 1900 ? Armchair quarter-backing any story based solely on printed documentation of yore not necessarily reliable feels more like a need to split hairs in 4, or maybe measuring d....

I don't have that need, even when I was itching to try out the Jeffery initially.

To answer another question in the post, Its first trip to the range was with recent manufactured Kynoch 600 NE with soft and solid Woodleigh bullets, and whatever powder charge Kynoch was loading commercially.

Rear trigger first, it was shooting sufficiently well for minute of elephant brain angle.

Woodleigh solids did on average group differently than softs: Solids would have needed more power to come closer. Was it the result of a difference in load between present day factory Kynoch and this Jeffery 120 regulation, or just a day off at the range for me ?

Increasing powder charge, with speed just above 2000 fps by handloading solids did tweak more than an inch in precision and allowed to bring solids and softs in the same place and closer together. Better grouping seemed more recoil than speed sensitive.

Hope to have brought some more clarity in the debate.

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