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Daryl_S
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Re: Extreme Cold [Re: Ripp]
      #371450 - 15/11/22 02:47 AM

We've stepped into a warm snap - temps up near freezing this morning. It was actually quite warm up at Dawson Creek over the weekend. Got up over the freezing mark with bit of a Chinook.

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Re: Extreme Cold [Re: Daryl_S]
      #371451 - 15/11/22 03:35 AM

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We've stepped into a warm snap - temps up near freezing this morning. It was actually quite warm up at Dawson Creek over the weekend. Got up over the freezing mark with bit of a Chinook.




Thats good news..saw this morning the next few days are gonna be brutal but then warm to mid 30'sF.. I'll take it..

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Re: Extreme Cold [Re: Ripp]
      #371452 - 15/11/22 03:43 AM

Damn I had to put on a warm shirt and a vest tonight!

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Re: Extreme Cold [Re: NitroX]
      #371455 - 15/11/22 03:52 AM

Yeah we're supposed to be up to 9C again over the weekend.

In Canada that's t-shirt weather. T-shirt, shorts, sandals...and a toque. Not kidding either.

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Re: Extreme Cold [Re: Dogfish858]
      #371464 - 15/11/22 08:10 AM

My kids used to take their coats off as soon as they got around the corner and out of sight of the house at -20F. It wasn't cool to wear a parka to "high school".
The odd thing, is they rarely ever got sick. I can't remember them "down" with a cold or the flu.
There's a fellow at the local rod and gun club wears shorts & running shoes year around.

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Re: Extreme Cold [Re: Daryl_S]
      #371468 - 15/11/22 10:57 AM

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My kids used to take their coats off as soon as they got around the corner and out of sight of the house at -20F. It wasn't cool to wear a parka to "high school".
The odd thing, is they rarely ever got sick. I can't remember them "down" with a cold or the flu.
There's a fellow at the local rod and gun club wears shorts & running shoes year around.




When I lived near Fairbanks, after a winter of -30 to -60f, when it would get up to +20f or so in spring all of the high school kids at the bus stop at the end of my street would be decked out in minskirts for the gals and tank tops for the guys, standing there in the snow.

One April I flew down to LA with a buddy. It was sunny and 35 when we left so we were in tshirts, and 65 and foggy in CA. Everyone was in down jackets and sweaters and staring at us. Then after a summer in Iraq that regularly hit 120s I shivered and wore fleece when it got down to mid 80s in 'winter.' Its all what you're used to I suppose. Bob

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Re: Extreme Cold [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
      #371472 - 15/11/22 11:52 AM

I've noticed that, Bob. Vacationing in Hawaii with the odd day, VERY odd day in the high 60's and people wearing jackets and sweaters - in beach weather!!
I do NOT handle extreme heat very well at all. 80's are full blast air-conditioning weather for me.
High 70's I find quite distressful.

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Re: Extreme Cold [Re: Daryl_S]
      #371484 - 15/11/22 06:39 PM

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I've noticed that, Bob. Vacationing in Hawaii with the odd day, VERY odd day in the high 60's and people wearing jackets and sweaters - in beach weather!!
I do NOT handle extreme heat very well at all. 80's are full blast air-conditioning weather for me.
High 70's I find quite distressful.




Without converting. I'm guessing that is winter here ...

It's been raining a lot here, the 5 minute attention span climate change believers think the world is ending ...

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Re: Extreme Cold [Re: NitroX]
      #371505 - 16/11/22 04:04 AM

Had to be 6 years ago, that AOC said the world was going to
end in 12 years, so I guess we've only got 6 years left.

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Re: Extreme Cold [Re: NitroX]
      #371506 - 16/11/22 04:18 AM

Daryl, I'm with you. I'd much rather have the cold too. My 1st year living in western AK the high for the summer was 62f/17C and I thought it was perfect. I think its the rapid temp changes that throw you off. In the interior of Alaska everything depends on what air mass is coming through and the temp could easily change +-30C or more over night. When it would go from -40 to +25F in a day or two it felt warm even though it wasn't.

Early one June in Fairbanks it hit 90f/32c and I felt absolutely baked so I thought I'd jog to a lake about 2 miles away for a swim then jog back. Got there and it was still 3/4 covered in ice! The air warmed rapidly but 2m of ice takes time. Bob

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Re: Extreme Cold [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
      #371519 - 16/11/22 08:41 AM

Ice is not off many of our lakes until well after the warm weather hits, some years.
I well remember it being too hot (104F) 40C by the middle of May to go for a MC ride, yet the local lakes still had over 3' of ice on them.
That was between the beginning of the late 1970's ice age and the global warming scare of 1998.

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Re: Extreme Cold [Re: Ripp]
      #371699 - 22/11/22 03:47 AM

I have seen some adjustable triggers give those kind of problems at times. Most men look to the bolt, spring and firing pins but at times the problem is snow having melted and leaked into the triggers and turned back to ice. If the sear piece is allowed to move some but not enough the cocking piece drags on it and slows down causing light strikes. If the rifle is left in the fired position with some of them the sear piece can freeze in the downward position and then the rifle will not cock at all. Or ice can fill the space in-between the coils of a springs and not allow the parts to work because the spring is now braced and can't compress, or may simply not expand out more with full force.

All of the after-market adjustable triggers can be made to have cleaner breaks and many can be adjusted to have lighter breaks then Mr. Mauser's original Military triggers, BUT when worked over to a good break and set to have no back-lash and a short 1st stage, the old 2 stage military triggers are (and probably always will be) the most reliable ones ever made.

If you have an adjustable trigger installed on a Mauser it can be a good idea to take the action out of the stock and when warm give it some blasts with carburetor cleaner to get all the oil and all the water out. Blow it dry with a compressor or even a can of compressed air like they sell at computer store and put it back in 100% dry, or do what I have done and use automimic transmission fluid as a cold weather lube. Ice will grab to clean steel but steel lubed with ATF is hard for ice to hold onto well. It gets chipped off much easier then dry steel.

The coldest temps I have ever hunted in were about -45 F and in the cases where I did use adjustable triggers cleaned and lightly lubed (and with air blown through to remove all excess lube) I have not had any problems. My old 338, my 375H&H and both my Mauser 270s and my 25-06 all have adjustable triggers in them, but I have never had such a problem as you described. However I have seen such things a number of times with other hunters and their rifles and triggers, and as a gunsmith I bet I have had 20 come to me asking me to fix their guns only to find they worked just fine by the time they got them to my shop.

In nearly all cases it's a matter of too much of the wrong lube (or grease) or ice blocking the guts from moving well. In some case I have been able to blow water out of the triggers in my shop. It's water in my shop, but out when they were hunting at -15 to -40 I guarantee it was ice.

Getting snow around the bolt and then operating it a few times drags some snow over the rear tang, and gets it over the sear on the trigger. Let that get warm in a truck or car, tent or cabin one time and it flows into the trigger. Then take the rifle out again and you can have a problem.
That's the reason I do recommend a light coat of AFT on the trigger guts. Dry steel and ice bond easily and hard. But you can push on a frozen drop of water on ATF lubed steel ---and it pops off easily.

As for me personally I have built most of the guns I now own with re-worked military triggers for this very reason. #1 using the old triggers allows for a smaller mortis in the inletting so that makes for a stronger stock to take recoil and #2 by installing an over-travel pin inside the coil spring I can eliminate almost all backlash.(leaving about .005" is all) Stone the cocking piece face and the sear to proper angles and set the front foot of the trigger to give only about 1/8 of 1st stage and I get a good 3 pound trigger that breaks clean. Not as good as the target triggers but still very good and extremely reliable. Such a trigger is plenty good for all shooting with a possible exception of actual bench rest competition and yet it's the stuff of legend when it comes to reliability.

Anyway.......food for thought.
I hope it was helpful.

Edited by szihn (22/11/22 03:55 AM)


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Re: Extreme Cold [Re: szihn]
      #371773 - 25/11/22 01:11 AM

Certainly helpful.

In this case there's a Recknagel trigger in the rifle, though I have also switched to the original military trigger on most of my Mausers because they are so efficient and when tuned, superior. I am finding I increasingly dislike the 'breaks like glass' feel of single stage triggers. Timneys especially I find have a 60 grit internal finish.

I do use ATF on my rifles. What I think happened with this rifle is condensation formed then froze on the cocking piece or in the trigger. It's rarely humid here but this day was both cold and humid. I switched to another rifle for the really cold days.

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Re: Extreme Cold [Re: szihn]
      #371786 - 25/11/22 10:30 AM

szihn thanks for posting that. I for one had not considered the trigger. Mind you it never gets down into the negative numbers in Australia like it does in the US and Europe.

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