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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: 260rem]
      #361599 - 06/02/22 09:05 PM

there were different .22 extra long

the american extra long had a 20 mm long case ( 22 lr must have a 15 mm long case)
http://old.municion.org/22altres/22ExtraLong.htm


the european 22 extra long had a 28 mm long case

http://old.municion.org/22/22.htm

this were all oldtimers from the blackpowder age outdatet by modern smokless 22 lr

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #361603 - 06/02/22 11:13 PM

I know pop used to use black powder 22lr as it was cheap, but I couldn't guess as to what version of extra long it took.

Versatile one rifle calibres have a big place in history be it something like that 22lr, the aforementioned 25/20 or especially something like the 303.

I like a lot of the "officer" model Lee Enfield rifles in 303, they weren't just a weapon of war but something the gentleman could use to hunt with whilst away on duty.
I think they have as important a place in sporting history as the civilians Lee speed in many ways.
They definitely have accounted for a lot of game in the colonial days.

I think that's why I also love the 9.3x62, as I mentioned earlier on many people could only afford one gun back in those days and the 9.3x62 proved perfect for putting meat on the table, killing destructive big cats and could even be used on the occasional rampaging elephant.
These jack of all trade rounds seem to have lost favour these days as people tend to own a battery of rifles for all occasions.

I think a Lee speed style full would carbine would be the rifle I would have chosen if I was in that situation way back then.
But a lot of the 303 sporterised and custom built guns here in Australia are our version of the Lee speed in concept in design if not always in beauty.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: 260rem]
      #361610 - 07/02/22 01:24 AM

Regarding a .22 RF extra long? I haven't heard of it.

There was .22 RF shorts.
The standard now .22 RF Long Rifle.
An inbetween .22 RF Long.

I had some old .22 Longs, when I once ran short of LRs I tried using them. Didn't resight in but could hit a coke can. I once had a rabbit charge me! I missed and missed but he was very slow. Completely blind from myxy. As he passed my ankle I almost touched him with the muzzle to drop him. Closest I have come to being a goner in a charge!

There may been .22 Extra Longs before the magnum as well.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: NitroX]
      #361615 - 07/02/22 02:53 AM

also other rimfire caliber like the .32 and .44 had the full range : extra short, short, long and extra long

difference was allways the case length to get more black powder in it

just take a look into the rimfire cartridges http://old.municion.org/

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: NitroX]
      #361619 - 07/02/22 05:47 AM

I have some long cased .22 RF's in copper cases in the box of junk, along with .32, .38, .41 RF's, maybe a couple .44's.
IIRC, the 1868 J.Weeks & Son's RIC DA revolver used a .42 RF,ctg.


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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: Daryl_S]
      #364318 - 05/04/22 10:46 PM

BSA 303, Lawn & Alder,1&2 Brackley Street, London EC
https://kesslerauktionen.ch/wp-content/uploads/katalog52-2.pdf



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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #364345 - 06/04/22 03:43 PM

I really like the stock shape on that one....some very interesting stuff in that cattledog.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: yumastepside]
      #365089 - 30/04/22 03:52 PM

real british made "sporter" https://auctionet.com/de/2163022-bullet-...he-nr-gebraucht













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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #365675 - 20/05/22 07:17 PM

What´s that big part on right side of lock ? Diopter maybe ?

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: Igorrock]
      #365678 - 20/05/22 08:27 PM

I used some .303 vintage Les Speeds or similar at a special BGRC/Naval Military Club informal target shoot. Really enjoyed them. I want one!

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: NitroX]
      #365685 - 21/05/22 12:23 AM

Quote:

Regarding a .22 RF extra long? I haven't heard of it.

There was .22 RF shorts.
The standard now .22 RF Long Rifle.
An inbetween .22 RF Long.




Left to right:
.22 short hv by Remington
.22lr by Eley
.22 CCI Stinger
.22 extra long by RWS, 20 mm copper case, probably pre-WW1
.22 WMR


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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: kuduae]
      #368537 - 22/08/22 09:11 PM

Lee Enfield No.4 Mk I .303 British,nice classic hunting stock, barrel with thread for a silencer
https://huntershouse.dk/kat1758-Milit%C3...lit%C3%A6r.html











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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #368958 - 04/09/22 10:14 AM

some interesting lee speeds at auction:

https://www.icollector.com/August-Coloss...p;hi=0&vm=1


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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #371642 - 20/11/22 09:58 PM

Bonehill in 303 https://auctionet.com/de/2337356-bullet-...ber-303-british

















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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #371644 - 20/11/22 10:04 PM

Marvellous ladder sight on this old girl!

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: 93x64mm]
      #371740 - 23/11/22 12:54 PM

holts auction

https://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/as...558&image=7


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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: superbee]
      #371743 - 23/11/22 02:48 PM

That Bonehill is pretty slick. Wonder what the bore is like?
379 Euro.

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