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Army & Navy .450/400
      #371684 - 21/11/22 06:57 PM

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: NitroX]
      #371906 - 02/12/22 03:26 AM

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: NitroX]
      #371910 - 02/12/22 04:21 AM

Interesting old & classic rifle, new(er) barrels I presume?
Noted that it is shooting .450/.400 3" Jeffery, much easier than finding the components to reproduce .450/.400 3 1/4"
Unusual separate (reinforcing?) plate at the head of the stock butting up to the action.
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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: 3DogMike]
      #371929 - 02/12/22 02:59 PM

Agree 100% Mike.
Those little side clips are something I've not seen before.

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: Huvius]
      #371943 - 03/12/22 01:01 AM

Lovely rifle!!

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: Huvius]
      #371974 - 03/12/22 10:49 AM

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Agree 100% Mike.
Those little side clips are something I've not seen before.


.450/.400 is a delightful calibre.

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: degoins]
      #371986 - 03/12/22 06:58 PM

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Lovely rifle!!






I think the engraving on this rifle is very pleasant.

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: NitroX]
      #371996 - 03/12/22 11:21 PM

I don't want to insult anybody or hurt any sensitive feelings, but I am not fond of that sighting system. It ruins the graceful lines of the rifle. It looks like a shoebox attached to the rib.

I know, there will be comments about older eyes, etc. I've got older eyes, yet I shoot express sights regularly.

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: CptCurl]
      #371997 - 04/12/22 01:41 AM

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I don't want to insult anybody or hurt any sensitive feelings, but I am not fond of that sighting system. It ruins the graceful lines of the rifle. It looks like a shoebox attached to the rib.
I know, there will be comments about older eyes, etc. I've got older eyes, yet I shoot express sights regularly.
Curl


I was not brave enough to want to be first to mention it, however I 100% agree with Curl.
Now whether or not the thing is really needed for sighting is moot, it’s his rifle; tho think it would have been better to have removed the “large mole on her nose” before the glamor pictures.
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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: 3DogMike]
      #372040 - 05/12/22 08:24 AM

A red dot would certainly help my shooting because I am vision handicapped (wonder if the liberals will give me a tax break). However, that being said, large red dots really don't look great on nice SSR & DR. Mike's comment “large mole on her nose” is dead on.

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: 85lc]
      #372060 - 05/12/22 11:58 PM

That plastic brick sure ruined the beauty of that rifle. I'll be 70 in February and I still shoot open sights....quite effectively I might add.

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: sharps4590]
      #372062 - 06/12/22 01:55 AM

The best way to ruin a rifle Is to not use it .... Imo.

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: sharps4590]
      #372103 - 07/12/22 09:20 PM

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That plastic brick sure ruined the beauty of that rifle. I'll be 70 in February and I still shoot open sights....quite effectively I might add.


All us old Missouri boys like open sights.
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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: yamoon]
      #374060 - 12/02/23 08:26 PM

You guys that are able to use open sights into and after middle age sure are lucky .
Spectacles to correct the various eye sight issues certainly do add another barrier to the fast use of open sights

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: MickoC]
      #374067 - 13/02/23 12:42 AM

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You guys that are able to use open sights into and after middle age sure are lucky .
Spectacles to correct the various eye sight issues certainly do add another barrier to the fast use of open sights



I prefer to see rifles used here on NE and less "here's another one for my collection".

I would absolutely replace the original rear express sight on my Jeffery 450. Keeping it on hand for originality purposes. And replace that express sight with another with grooves or whatever on it allowing a red dot or illuminated triangle sight to be affixed. If my eyes required it. Might even be faster and better shooting that way now already. And more effective. If a suitable dot sight worked for me.

I agree they look better without a dot sight.

I don't need glasses at all, sometimes for reading. I haven't worn reading glasses probably for nine months since last. Diabetes must be doing better. I don't need them for shooting open sights. Rifle or handgun.

But as to looks better or is needed to shoot them, wgaf, the rifles are for shooting and hunting, not caressing with archival gloves on ...

I need to find a red dot sight that does not "star" for me. I'd love to try one on my Tikka/Valmet U/O double rifle or combination barrels. Might be ideal on the 12b/7x65R. Or the drv.30-06 or 9.3x74R. If the red dot sight could be "quick" detachable that would be useful. Allow open sights or a scope or dot sight interchangably. I think it is fiddly to be swapping however. Meanwhile the game animal runs away ... Use one sight for everything ...

The 12b/.223 needs a variable scope without doubt. I've also got a Baikal dr in .45/70 that could use a dot sight.

But I plan to use the Jeffery .450 until I can't walk or see at all anymore ... A red dot sight makes a hell of a lot of sense if it is needed or is more effective.


PS it is probably possible to get a dot sight less a miniature TV box on the barrels.

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Edited by NitroX (13/02/23 12:58 AM)

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: MickoC]
      #374068 - 13/02/23 12:43 AM

Two weeks ago I had my eye exam. My vision is still 20/20 with corrective lenses. In my long forgotten, mis-spent youth, it was 20/15.

Yes sir, I consider myself blessed.

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: sharps4590]
      #374069 - 13/02/23 12:50 AM

Good to read!

I used to be able to read the small print below the last line.

My last test, I was able to two lines lower than previously. I forget the rating, 6/6? Not sure what that means?

I looked it up. 6m or 20 feet. 6/6 is the same as 20/20.

https://www.allaboutvision.com/en-gb/eye-exam/2020-vision/

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: NitroX]
      #374070 - 13/02/23 01:45 AM

Braggarts! Good eyes bah humbug!

Tomorrow I am headed to the eye Dr. Seems at 75 years the eyes aren't working very well anymore.

I will tell him I was on Nitroexproess.com and the rear sight on a beautiful double rifle was so fuzzy it looked like a red dot.

He likes old guns and will understand my problem and fix my eyes.

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: DoubleD]
      #374077 - 13/02/23 06:03 AM

My vision corrected back when I first started wearing glasses as I couldn't see a gopher at 40yards, was correctable to 20/20. The last 3 times I've been tested for new prescriptions, my distance vision has been correctable to 20/15. This means I can see at 20 yards, what the "average" needs to be within 15 yards to see. I wear bifocals to be able to read.
This 20/15 vision only makes it easier for me to see things at distance. It is no help at all with open sights. They are getting fuzzier & fuzzier.
Apparently I do not need glasses to drive, however I like seeing "everything" in sharp relief, thus I always wear them when driving or at any time, actually.

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: DarylS]
      #374094 - 13/02/23 03:51 PM

I just tried reading glasses again for the first time in months to use my tablet. WOW! Everything is so clear and sharp!

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Re: Army & Navy .450/400 [Re: NitroX]
      #374101 - 14/02/23 07:46 AM

It's, it's, it's like MAGIC!!!!

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Re: Red dot & reflex sights [Re: DarylS]
      #374426 - 24/02/23 08:03 PM



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Re: Red dot & reflex sights [Re: lancaster]
      #374447 - 25/02/23 09:49 AM

Beautiful double rifle and if having a red dot works better for you than open sights and makes you a better shooter, I say more power to you. Who cares what anyone else thinks? It's your gun, use it as you see fit.

That being said...

I totally agree with CptCurl's comments about red dots. The way I see it, a red dot / holo-type scope on a fine rifle or shotgun is like having an elevator in an outhouse...

It just don't belong!

Don't get me wrong, red dots do have definite benefits for shooters and are typically faster and easier to use than open sights. But most of them are just so damn ugly! Even though I know the better ones are strong and well made, to me they look fragile and awkward and generally ruin the looks of a fine, walnut and blued-steel firearm. Even though there are some more streamlined types available, I find the ocular lens on those to typically be on the smaller side and so not as quick to use.

Maybe it's just me, but even though rifle scopes tend to be much larger and heavier than a red dot and actually sit higher on the gun, they just look like they're supposed to be there. Like they are a part of the rifle. With the exception of those with open sights, a bolt action rifle without a scope just looks odd and unfinished. At least, it does to me...

When the first laser sighting systems for personal firearms came out back in the 80's(?), they were large, tube or box-like affairs that were heavy, expensive and just awkward as hell (sound familiar?). But, as technology has moved forward, lasers have evolved. Now, they are much lighter and smaller, are very affordable and are capable of being integrated into the gun itself, such as within the frame or the grip panels of a handgun.

If only someone would only do the same for red dots! You know, invent one that is designed to integrate properly with a particular firearm in both appearance, function and materials (i.e. same type of steel with same type of finish) and a more streamlined mount. A system that blends in and looks like it belongs there instead of looking like a pickle jar duct-taped on top of a Red Ryder BB Gun!

Oh well, maybe someday...





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Re: Red dot & reflex sights [Re: FlatTop45]
      #374457 - 25/02/23 12:59 PM

FlatTop45 quote: "…...is like having an elevator in an outhouse…"

I just love when the Texas boys chime in, always a great quote or two.
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Re: Red dot & reflex sights [Re: 3DogMike]
      #374460 - 25/02/23 03:08 PM

I have a red dot on my PCP .22 Pistol. That's a good place for them. I tried it on my Ruger 10-22, but it sucked at that job.
I cannot understand it on anything other than a pistol & and pellet gun at that.
Some may be OK on CF pistols.
The IPSC shooters today seem to all have them.

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