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Rolland
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8mm Lee Speed
#371336 - 11/11/22 12:32 PM

What cartridge is used in a 8mm Lee Speed

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: Rolland]
#371344 - 11/11/22 03:20 PM

According to DocAV it was the 8x50R M93 cartridge as used in the Austrian Mannlicher.

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/8mm-for-the-lee-speed-rifle/5253

I'm pretty sure I've also seen that in an old catalogue. Still loaded in India as the .315 Indian.

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: Hunter4752001]
#371347 - 11/11/22 03:37 PM

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According to DocAV it was the 8x50R M93 cartridge as used in the Austrian Mannlicher.

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/8mm-for-the-lee-speed-rifle/5253

I'm pretty sure I've also seen that in an old catalogue. Still loaded in India as the .315 Indian.

A thread discussing 8mm cartridges including the above .315, which may be of help.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=227982&an=&page=0&vc=1

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: NitroX]
#371370 - 12/11/22 04:45 AM

the 8x50R, use PRVI 8x56 R brass, resize and cut to 50 mm length

modern .323 bullets are not the best but will work. you need a long cylindrical bullet of 200 grains or better heavier.

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: lancaster]
#371382 - 12/11/22 10:22 AM

This is the rifle in question, has a full rib on the barrel and marked BSA C2 on the receiver stock mount under the bolt handle, other question is what is the bracket on the left side of the stock, I assume a telescope mount? I would say it is in 95 % condition there are no serious marks or blemishes other than one sight blade is missing and replaced with a modern one.

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: Rolland]
#371403 - 12/11/22 04:24 PM

yes, I take it. please send it to my home. thanks

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: lancaster]
#371406 - 12/11/22 07:13 PM

Hi Rolland. Could you post a close up of the right-hand receiver stock mount area under the bolt handle?

I suspect that the "BSA C2" is actual BSA Co with the o on top of an underscore. Its a common confusion when the o isn't as distinctly stamped as it should have been.

Only a guess, but I think the bracket on the left side may have been a mount for a type of folding aperture sight that was popular at the time. Not quite the same as the common BSA No9 sight, but similar.

Does the right-hand receiver stock mount show a royal cypher (ie a crown) or the words "Lee Speed Patents"? Does it have a date?

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: Hunter4752001]
#371605 - 19/11/22 02:15 PM

Hunter
You are correct it is Co just hard to read. No other markings other than what is pictured.
On another note does anyone have drawings of the 8 x 50R Austrian cartridge Ie; as to overall lenght

Edited by Rolland (19/11/22 02:16 PM)

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: Rolland]
#371606 - 19/11/22 05:25 PM

CIP Standard for 8x50R Austrian is about 3/4 of the way down the page.
https://bobp.cip-bobp.org/en/tdcc_public?page=2&cartridge_type_id=2

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: Hunter4752001]
#371608 - 19/11/22 06:07 PM

8x50R:*******************C.I.P. Pezio******CUP copper Crusher

8x50R************************51*********************45********

http://kwk.us/pressures.html

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: DarylS]
#371657 - 21/11/22 06:14 AM

Next step is to find loading dies.

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: Rolland]
#371660 - 21/11/22 06:23 AM

Quote:

This is the rifle in question, has a full rib on the barrel and marked BSA C2 on the receiver stock mount under the bolt handle, other question is what is the bracket on the left side of the stock, I assume a telescope mount? I would say it is in 95 % condition there are no serious marks or blemishes other than one sight blade is missing and replaced with a modern one.

Looks like a peep sight base to me - possibly a Mues?
https://www.enfield-rifles.com/mues-special-sight_topic7387.html
could be one of these too
https://www.leeenfieldresource.com/aperture-sights

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: 93x64mm]
#371665 - 21/11/22 08:37 AM

Appears similar to the Mues Special Sight.

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: DarylS]
#371667 - 21/11/22 10:48 AM

Found the sight what a complicated sight.

BSA, for No1 Mk3, 1910, UK. Simple, reliable, forward post is equipped with volley sight peep hole to comply with early competition regulation, plus a going to war requirement when shooters went to WW1 and took their sights with them. Eye relief is controlled by using different shaped mounting plates. Status; Not common but available, collectible.

Edited by Rolland (21/11/22 10:50 AM)

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: Rolland]
#371674 - 21/11/22 04:29 PM

Wow, looks complicated. I guessed it was a peep sight of some type.

WW1 sniper!

Btw I like the idea of a .315/8mm Indian Lee Speed. Something different and exotic.

With imagination one could imagine it being used on axis, sambar, boar, leopard, tiger, buffalo and gaur! Perhaps some if them without imagination such as boar and nilgai.

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: NitroX]
#371691 - 22/11/22 12:33 AM

some years ago there was a basic model in 8x50R here in auction, sold for 200-300 euro
still angry about myself for don't buy this

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: lancaster]
#373641 - 30/01/23 08:54 PM

It would be nice to see the photo's reposted if it's possible.

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: darwinmauser]
#387880 - 27/11/24 09:04 AM

Finally found an 8mm lee speed, not the greatest condition, but will do until I find a better one. It took me 8 years to find one.
Looks to be a post 1918 according to proof marks?

Edited by superbee (27/11/24 09:06 AM)

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: superbee]
#387886 - 27/11/24 10:55 AM

How does the bore look. Any idea on the production numbers on the 8mm Lee Speed?

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: fjrdoc]
#387910 - 28/11/24 11:02 PM

allways annoying for me to see

because it reminds my on 8 mm Lee Speed that I let go and it end in an auction here for 300 euro.
we don't see them any year here. maybe also none the next year.

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: lancaster]
#387911 - 28/11/24 11:06 PM

looks like an original military magazine to my untrained eyes. the short 5 rounder got lost in history?

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: lancaster]
#387939 - 29/11/24 10:45 AM

The magazine may be original. I haven't seen an original 8mm magazine from the Lee Speed era, but the current Indian rifles in 315 Indian feature a similar looking magazine, all be it 5 shot capacity.

https://ddpdoo.gov.in/product/products/product-details/0-315-quot-sporting-rifle

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Re: 8mm Lee Speed [Re: Hunter4752001]
#387947 - 29/11/24 04:27 PM

of course, the 8x50R Mannlicher have a much bigger diameter than 303 Brit so it would be impossible to get 5 rounds into the common short Lee Speed magazine but may load very comfortable into the 10 rounds military mag.

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