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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: 3DogMike]
      #369418 - 21/09/22 10:09 AM

Fantastic!

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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: tinker]
      #369420 - 21/09/22 11:55 AM

Yep, as my Brit friends would say: "I'm chuffed"
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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: 3DogMike]
      #369421 - 21/09/22 11:56 AM

Indeed

That's a great start

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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: 3DogMike]
      #369429 - 21/09/22 09:07 PM

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Finally got out to shoot, only loaded 4 for initial test.
8 Drams of Swiss 1 1/2, Fed 215 primer, nitro card and SPG lubed fibre wad, overshot card wad under 875 grain Paradox bullet from vintage H&H mould sized to bore diameter.

25 yards today, standing rest, crossing a bit but can work on that. R1/L1 are 1 1/4", better hold for R2/L2 out of dirty barrels were 5/8"
The 2 "smaller" uppermost holes are from a .577BPE…..

I'm a happy camper. Recoil about as expected, close but not quite as much as my 8 bore GE Lewis with 10 Dram & round ball.
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I'd be more than happy with that grouping - well done Mike!


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Re: 10 bore Holland & Holland Paradox [Re: 3DogMike]
      #369569 - 26/09/22 09:22 AM

Very nice Paradox. Do you have bore and choke measurements?

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Re: 10 bore Holland & Holland Paradox [Re: gatsby]
      #369572 - 26/09/22 11:51 AM

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Very nice Paradox. Do you have bore and choke measurements?



Hello gatsby,
Bore is .807”-.808” 5” ahead of the chambers as close as I can measure the slug. Have not measured the actual choke.
Bore has possibly been honed at some time or another as the 10 bore 2/10 proof spec is .803” as far as I can determine from the old sources, and the bores are mirror bright. Unusual for a ~124 year old gun.

ADDED:
I am having Steve Brooks brooksmoulds.com make me an exact copy of the Fosbery HP bullet from the rather worn original H&H mould. Expected to cast out at ~.806” and ~875 grains. The Brooks moulds are some of the best, I have acouple of others to cast copies of proper weight .450 and .500 BPE hollow point bullets and they cast flawless bullets.
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Re: 10 bore Holland & Holland Paradox [Re: 3DogMike]
      #369580 - 27/09/22 03:16 AM

I have had more than a couple paradox 10s here
A 920gr bullet and 220gr 2f usually regulates them nicely
Never had any cross.

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Re: 10 bore Holland & Holland Paradox [Re: gatsby]
      #369583 - 27/09/22 07:04 AM

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I have had more than a couple paradox 10s here
A 920gr bullet and 220gr 2f usually regulates them nicely
Never had any cross.



gatsby, thanks for the input.

Have a 920 grain mould for a solid that I've not loaded up yet as well as the "on order" clone by Brooks moulds of the original H&H 875 grain hollow point…..bore guns seem pretty forgiving of minor variations of charge weight and bullet weight.
After all; heavy 12's, and the 10 & 8 are really "up close & personal" types.

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Re: 10 bore Holland & Holland Paradox [Re: 3DogMike]
      #369588 - 27/09/22 01:44 PM

True re bullet weights on these big pdxes but bullet configuration can cause some variation.
The bullets shown buy Curl has been a successfully used configuration in a number of 10 pdxes out to 100 yds.

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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: rigbymauser]
      #369676 - 30/09/22 11:59 AM

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Years ago I got to shoot a Bland single 4 bore owned by Ray Meyer (I heard that it went to Alaska after Ray's passing)




Well, it's down in south central Montana these days. Drop a line if any of you gents are passing through that area and we'll go shoot.

On another note, I found that a reduced charge(120 grains vs a full charge at 137) of swiss 3F worked like magic in my 5 dram roundball 10, probably because it gives more room for better wads. Shoots to the sights and right at the advertised 1330fps.

Nice rifle too!!!! Those disc set strikers are a work of art.

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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
      #369701 - 01/10/22 08:20 AM

I often wondered who that Bland 4 Bore went to. Now I know.
For me that experience was a long time ago, I have very fond memories of working with Ray Meyer on the 8 Bore Greener that I had at the time. Getting to fire the Bland was icing on the cake.
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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: 3DogMike]
      #370349 - 16/10/22 12:47 AM

Have received the mould from “Brooks Moulds”, a duplicate of the bullet from the rather worn vintage H&H mould that came with the gun.
https://brooksmoulds.com/
As with my other Steve Brooks moulds it is a very fine job and casts exactly spot on .806" diameter and 875 grains cast of 1:20 mix
- Mike



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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: 3DogMike]
      #370351 - 16/10/22 03:07 AM

Nice! It is indeed a pleasure to work with really well made tools.

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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: Daryl_S]
      #370389 - 17/10/22 12:08 AM

You are well along the way to a torn rotator cuff and a detached retina!!!!!!


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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: CptCurl]
      #370390 - 17/10/22 12:57 AM

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You are well along the way to a torn rotator cuff and a detached retina!!!!!!


Curl



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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: 3DogMike]
      #370394 - 17/10/22 02:29 AM

Very nice

With this new mould, will we be seeing a new range firing video?

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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: tinker]
      #371151 - 06/11/22 10:13 AM

Too freezing cold and snow to want to shoot, cast 30 of the 10 Bore Paradox instead.
Steve Brooks hollow point mould to clone the old Holland bullets from the vintage mould. 870 grains cast from 1:20 tin/lead. Steve's moulds are a joy to use.

"If" we get a warm spell I will try to get some shooting posted.
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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: 3DogMike]
      #371154 - 06/11/22 01:01 PM

Now THAT is a nice mould. The captured HP pin is a wonderful invention. I didn't think any of the 1800's moulds had them, but I suppose Lee didn't invent the idea.

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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: Daryl_S]
      #371181 - 06/11/22 08:11 PM

Youprovide inspiration that I should get mine shooting. I aim for by August next year as a finished project. God willing!

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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: 3DogMike]
      #371407 - 12/11/22 11:29 PM

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Too freezing cold and snow to want to shoot, cast 30 of the 10 Bore Paradox instead.
Steve Brooks hollow point mould to clone the old Holland bullets from the vintage mould. 870 grains cast from 1:20 tin/lead. Steve's moulds are a joy to use.

"If" we get a warm spell I will try to get some shooting posted.
- Mike











Mike,

You are getting there! Those are superb bullets and a great mould.

I was a little more hoggish when I cast for my H&H 10b Paradox.



It will take me a long time to shoot all those.

Here's my mould:




And my loading tools:




Now we need a range report!

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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: CptCurl]
      #371807 - 26/11/22 04:28 AM

Cold…..snow……not as tough as I used to be.
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Re: H&H 10 bore update: [Re: 3DogMike]
      #371812 - 26/11/22 07:41 AM

That is one chunk of lead you're throwing down range!
Great mould & perfect bullets, makes my .410" ones look tiny in comparison!


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