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Continental medium & big bore double rifles cartridges
#368663 - 25/08/22 09:08 PM

A discussion query prompted by Ahmed's thread.

Almost all of the Nitro Express Rimmed cartridges are considered "British". Perhaps due to Britain's large colonial empire especially India and the Maharajahs appetite for fine doubles.

Now I hope our Continental members will correct this.

France had a big African empire plus Indochina.

Germany before WW1 had fine colonies in East Africa and SW Africa. Plus a colony, Togo? in West Africa. New Guinea in the Pacific.

Spain and Portugal, colonies in the Americas and Asia.

What "Continental" rimmed big bore and larger medium bore cartridges were chambered in Continental double rifles? Or similar rifles?

The obvious one is the 9.3x74R. Any others?

I can think of one or more.

Are any of the Nitro Express Rimmed cartridges actually German?

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Re: Continental medium & big bore double rifles cartridges [Re: NitroX]
#368664 - 25/08/22 09:09 PM

Maybe mention rimless as well. That adds quite a few extras.

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Re: Continental medium & big bore double rifles cartridges [Re: NitroX]
#368667 - 25/08/22 09:22 PM

Wilhelm Brenneke made the 7, 8 & 9.3x65R as companion cartridges to their rimless versions

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Re: Continental medium & big bore double rifles cartridges [Re: 93x64mm]
#368668 - 25/08/22 09:31 PM

I'm getting off into the weeds here but, wasn't one of Schuyler's cartridges better known as a British cartridge? I think it was in the 500 Nitro class.

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Re: Continental medium & big bore double rifles cartridges [Re: sharps4590]
#368692 - 26/08/22 08:14 PM

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I'm getting off into the weeds here but, wasn't one of Schuyler's cartridges better known as a British cartridge? I think it was in the 500 Nitro class.

The .500 Jeffery and the .404 Jeffery have perhaps prior metric designations. They will pop in my head sooner or later ....

The 8x75R is a necked down 9.3x74R to .323.

A lot of Euro rimless cartridges have a rimmed version for use in drillings etc.

The .500/416 Nitro Express is a recent Euro creation.

Another is the .30R Blaser.

Apologies to our Continental members, us ex-Colonials often think of British and European as being mutually exclusive. Something my French and German friends in London were indignant about when we lived there.

I learned that until 1950, before my time, Australians regarded themselves as British.

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Re: Continental medium & big bore double rifles cartridges [Re: NitroX]
#368693 - 26/08/22 10:08 PM

So did Americans until 1776.....

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Re: Continental medium & big bore double rifles cartridges [Re: sharps4590]
#368706 - 27/08/22 03:47 AM

Despite its very large colonial empire, France has never designed big game cartridges.

Germany has already produced quite a few, especially in the 9.3mm caliber, with the cited 9,3x74R and the weaker 9,3x72R being the most well-known. Other 9.3mm cartridges such as the 9.3x65R or 9.3x82R are proprietary cartridges, less well known and have seen little use.

As far as the bigger ones are concerned, I can remember me a hardly known cartridge 10.75x70R as well as a 11.2x72R, the rimmed counterpart of the cartridge 11.2x72 Schüler, a cartridge that also has not experienced widespread use.

Edited by grandveneur (27/08/22 03:57 AM)

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Re: Continental medium & big bore double rifles cartridges [Re: grandveneur]
#368707 - 27/08/22 04:01 AM

One can still quote the Cartridge 577/500 Hartmann & Weiss from current production, but not a classic from the old days.

https://www.cartridgecollector.net/577500-hartmann-weiss

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Re: Continental medium & big bore double rifles cartridges [Re: grandveneur]
#368718 - 27/08/22 06:06 AM

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One can still quote the Cartridge 577/500 Hartmann & Weiss from current production, but not a classic from the old days.

https://www.cartridgecollector.net/577500-hartmann-weiss

I'm assuming here this will be a full nitro load?
Will be a 'big banger' for sure

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Re: Continental medium & big bore double rifles cartridges [Re: 93x64mm]
#368793 - 30/08/22 03:01 AM

Regrding Spain, really big game was only hunted in Equatorial Guinea, until 1970. The most classic Spanish double rifle maker in the classic era was Victor Sarasqueta. He made doubles in almost every conceivable chamberings, but in Guinea the most popular were the .475 Nº2 and the 375 H&H. In continental Spain, doubles are used mainly for our "Monteria" (driven hunt for red stag and boar) in 9,3x74R and 8x57 JRS.

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