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If it makes you feel better to hate the 6.5 Creedmoor, go ahead. Just don’t try to enumerate its downsides to anyone who knows anything, because there aren’t any that matter. The Creedmoor carries more velocity and energy downrange with less recoil than any other factory cartridge

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7mm Cartridges

With the exception of the 7mm Remington Magnum, cartridges of this diameter have never been as popular in America as they should be—maybe because this was the caliber of the Imperial German Army and the Nazis.

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6.5x55 hands down wipes the latest fad 6.5 wannabes.

Interesting "logic" by this writer. Old cartridges burner barrels but even faster newer ones are cool and fine.


Glaring omission, the .30-06. No not substitute the .308. Both should be listed.

The .224 Valkyrie's 90 gr load sounds interesting. Any decent SP hunting bullets available in thosecweights in .224?

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If it makes you feel better to hate the 6.5 Creedmoor, go ahead. Just don’t try to enumerate its downsides to anyone who knows anything, because there aren’t any that matter. The Creedmoor carries more velocity and energy downrange with less recoil than any other factory cartridge

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With the exception of the 7mm Remington Magnum, cartridges of this diameter have never been as popular in America as they should be—maybe because this was the caliber of the Imperial German Army and the Nazis.

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6.5x55 hands down wipes the latest fad 6.5 wannabes.

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Don't agree with that.. I'll take the PRC over the 6.5x55.. better case design, 10% more powder.. handles the heavy for caliber bullets without giving up much case volume .. and is wicked accurate.. IF the 6.5x55 was all that it would have been picked up by now by the long range circuit.. but nope.. still just a moose slayer in Europe..

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The only ones I have experience with are the 270 WCF, which will be 100 years old in 2025 and the 300 Win. Mag. that I think was formally introduced by Winchester in 1962.

I haven't played long range games in over 20 years....and that doesn't seem possible but, it is. Were I to participate again I believe I'd go back to the 300. Ever since my first in the early 80's I've had a fondness for that cartridge.

As others have mentioned there is a pile of cartridges just as good that don't make the list.

The 7 X 57 was never an official cartridge of the German military, in either war. Thet title belongs to the 8 X 57. So that argument falls on its face.

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The 7 X 57 was never an official cartridge of the German military, in either war. Thet title belongs to the 8 X 57. So that argument falls on its face.

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The 7x57 was used by the Boers and as a military cartridge in certain South American republics.

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6.5x55 hands down wipes the latest fad 6.5 wannabes.

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Don't agree with that.. I'll take the PRC over the 6.5x55.. better case design, 10% more powder.. handles the heavy for caliber bullets without giving up much case volume .. and is wicked accurate.. IF the 6.5x55 was all that it would have been picked up by now by the long range circuit.. but nope.. still just a moose slayer in Europe..

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6.5x55 with proper factory ammunition or handloaded has superior ballistics to the 6.5 Creedmoor. But doesn't sell rifles.

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The 7 X 57 was never an official cartridge of the German military, in either war. Thet title belongs to the 8 X 57. So that argument falls on its face.

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The 7x57 was used by the Boers and as a military cartridge in certain South American republics.

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But that's neither the German Imperial Army nor the Nazis as was expressed in the article. It was first used by Spain and was one reason for the 1903 Springfield as the US faced it in the Spanish American War and the Philipine Insurrection.

Several Central and South American countries did use the cartridge as well as countries around the world. Even Mexico used it for a while.

It was an excellent military cartridge, just never German. Many still consider it an excellent sporting round, which it always has been.

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Don't agree with that.. I'll take the PRC over the 6.5x55.. better case design, 10% more powder.. handles the heavy for caliber bullets without giving up much case volume .. and is wicked accurate.. IF the 6.5x55 was all that it would have been picked up by now by the long range circuit.. but nope.. still just a moose slayer in Europe..

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6.5x55 with proper factory ammunition or handloaded has superior ballistics to the 6.5 Creedmoor. But doesn't sell rifles.

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My comparison above was with the PRC not the Creedmoor.. the PRC has 10% larger case capacity than the 6.5x55..so, ballistically superior in design and performance..

Having said that, there is a reason, as I stated above, that the long distance shooting crowd has chosen and sticks with the Creedmore vs the 6.5x55.. AS a collective group, they are constantly in search of an advantage.. if the 6.5x55 had one they would be there.. on steel, some things more important than sheer velocity..I am guessing part of it is in order to capitalize to max potential with the new longer, sleeker, heavy for caliber bullets with a 6.5x55 it becomes difficult to use a short action. The Creedmoor is more user friendly in that department and does allow for a short action while still seating those long bullets way out...

Short action = stiffer action=greater accuracy potential..

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Don't agree with that.. I'll take the PRC over the 6.5x55.. better case design, 10% more powder.. handles the heavy for caliber bullets without giving up much case volume .. and is wicked accurate.. IF the 6.5x55 was all that it would have been picked up by now by the long range circuit.. but nope.. still just a moose slayer in Europe..

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6.5x55 with proper factory ammunition or handloaded has superior ballistics to the 6.5 Creedmoor. But doesn't sell rifles.

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My comparison above was with the PRC not the Creedmoor.. the PRC has 10% larger case capacity than the 6.5x55..so, ballistically superior in design and performance..

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Having said that, there is a reason, as I stated above, that the long distance shooting crowd has chosen and sticks with the Creedmore vs the 6.5x55.. AS a collective group, they are constantly in search of an advantage.. if the 6.5x55 had one they would be there.. on steel, some things more important than sheer velocity..I am guessing part of it is in order to capitalize to max potential with the new longer, sleeker, heavy for caliber bullets with a 6.5x55 it becomes difficult to use a short action. The Creedmoor is more user friendly in that department and does allow for a short action while still seating those long bullets way out...

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The old M96/M38 Swedish Mausers, ex-mikitary are fantastically accurate. How much more accuracy is possible? Mine shoots ball FMJ "ex-mill" Target ammo finless than one calibre 3 shot groups. Long 140 gr projectiles. The cartridge handles 160 gr projectiles. Better velocity than the Creedmoor.

Original cartridge 127 years old = winner
Handles long 6.5 mm projectiles, as it was designed to do = winner.
Better velocity than the Creedmoor = winner
Better accuracy than wannabe Creedmoor rifles = winner.
All in a "$100" rifle, no $8000 specialist rifle needed from the advertising makers = winner winner winner winner winner!

The only reason the Creedmoor is popular is excessive promotion. Go back a handfull of years and Americans, most, didn't understand the 6.5 mm at all.

As for the PRC cartridge? Don't care. The Creedmoor was on the list. Don't care for the PRC either. Peoples Republic of Congo?

I don't care for extreme long range target shooting at game animals either. Unethical, irresponsible. I think the Austrian standards should apply. Two black crosses on one's hunting licence, loose it for life.

Shooting targets at long range is cool. I may have to do it soon. Maybe? I'll tell it if it happens. I'll send a PM.

Sniping at humans in war at very long range, is also completely different. Cruelty andcwar go together.

Btw NitroExpress.com is about vintage rifles, cartridges etc. When the original is still the best, after 127 years, it's the standard for the wannabes to pretend to stand against.

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Don't agree with that.. I'll take the PRC over the 6.5x55.. better case design, 10% more powder.. handles the heavy for caliber bullets without giving up much case volume .. and is wicked accurate.. IF the 6.5x55 was all that it would have been picked up by now by the long range circuit.. but nope.. still just a moose slayer in Europe..

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6.5x55 with proper factory ammunition or handloaded has superior ballistics to the 6.5 Creedmoor. But doesn't sell rifles.

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My comparison above was with the PRC not the Creedmoor.. the PRC has 10% larger case capacity than the 6.5x55..so, ballistically superior in design and performance..

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Having said that, there is a reason, as I stated above, that the long distance shooting crowd has chosen and sticks with the Creedmore vs the 6.5x55.. AS a collective group, they are constantly in search of an advantage.. if the 6.5x55 had one they would be there.. on steel, some things more important than sheer velocity..I am guessing part of it is in order to capitalize to max potential with the new longer, sleeker, heavy for caliber bullets with a 6.5x55 it becomes difficult to use a short action. The Creedmoor is more user friendly in that department and does allow for a short action while still seating those long bullets way out...

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The old M96/M38 Swedish Mausers, ex-mikitary are fantastically accurate. How much more accuracy is possible? Mine shoots ball FMJ "ex-mill" Target ammo finless than one calibre 3 shot groups. Long 140 gr projectiles. The cartridge handles 160 gr projectiles. Better velocity than the Creedmoor.

Original cartridge 127 years old = winner
Handles long 6.5 mm projectiles, as it was designed to do = winner.
Better velocity than the Creedmoor = winner
Better accuracy than wannabe Creedmoor rifles = winner.
All in a "$100" rifle, no $8000 specialist rifle needed from the advertising makers = winner winner winner winner winner!
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https://www.fieldandstream.com/story/guns/6-5-creedmoor-vs-the-6-5-55-swedish/
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I don't care for extreme long range target shooting at game animals either. Unethical, irresponsible. I think the Austrian standards should apply. Two black crosses on one's hunting licence, loose it for life.

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Shooting targets at long range is cool. I may have to do it soon. Maybe? I'll tell it if it happens. I'll send a PM.

Sniping at humans in war at very long range, is also completely different. Cruelty andcwar go together.

Btw NitroExpress.com is about vintage rifles, cartridges etc. When the original is still the best, after 127 years, it's the standard for the wannabes to pretend to stand against.

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And there is also simple ballistic facts and science. What some gunpornmag writes prostituting himself doesn't make it true. Ballistics is fact not opinion.

$100 rifle opinion? Shooting tiny groups with cheap fmj ammo opinion? Well it probably cost me $250. But they were selling for $100 a couple years before then. A new synthetic stock maybe $400. Needs a non military two stage trigger. No need for those special $8000 fadcy rifles the extreme long range promoters want to sell.

Thousands of shooters also laugh at the creedmoof. There are hundreds of memes laughing at it.

As for looking for the latest and "best" most of the cm fanatics will move onto the latest advertising fad when it is promoted. I'm guessing it will be back to the .270. A new fat straight walled sharp shouldered .277 which shoots slower than a .270 Winchester. But is "better". Ha ha.

I don't shoot animals at extreme long range. 400 metres is already too far. Unethical to take extreme LR shots. If in the mountains I might try a bit longer if it is impossible to get closer. Usually hunting does allow. Or the animal escapes. Thats hunting which is not trophy collecting.

Here's an idea for extreme LR "hunters". No Austrian hunting licences with two black dots? Well the EXTREME LR "hunter" after wounding an animal at extreme LR should ritually burn all his precious LR equipment, rifle, scope, ammo, spotting scope, computer, wind meter, video cameras, digital cameras, smart phone, pacemaker, walking frame, motorised wheelchair, portable expresso machine, incontinence pads, sedan chair porters, SUV etc all on a ritual bonfire in shame.

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