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When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ?
      #367703 - 12/07/22 07:55 AM

Just suffering from my schizophrenic firearms obsessions ... I have a 8x68S. It is a Mauser M03, and not a beautiful classic. It can be improved however ...

I have always lusted for a classic .318 Westley Richards Mauser M98. After all I do host these forums! The Never Ending Tiger rifle.

And then there is the .338/06.

But if one has a big 8, and it can shoot bullets well in the range of 150 grs to 250 grs, does one need anything else?!

That .318 and .338 excelled with 250 grs. As .323 bullets are available for the same. 250 gr Woodleigh Weldcores. Just need 250 gr FMJs in .323. Could .330 FMJs be sized down?

200 gr or 220 gr Swift A-frames for anything big soft skinned.

160 to 180 gr for the run of the mill.

Just have to get to use it more.

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: NitroX]
      #367704 - 12/07/22 08:58 AM

John, If you have a rifle in the Great 8x68S & are asking "does one need anything else?" I would say a 10.75x68 should reside along side to keep it company!

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: m4220]
      #367712 - 12/07/22 03:30 PM

if you ask me if you need a second rifle ... I have bad news

no, you can only shot one rifle so one is enough. and now?

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: m4220]
      #367718 - 12/07/22 05:50 PM

Quote:

John, If you have a rifle in the Great 8x68S & are asking "does one need anything else?" I would say a 10.75x68 should reside along side to keep it company!




I agree, a nice 10.75x68 Mauser 98 would be superb.

However I have already matched a .404 barrel and a whole additional M03 to reside in the field gun rack side by side.

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: NitroX]
      #386829 - 17/09/24 04:49 AM

John, i see this is a old post... may I tell you of my 8x68 journey?
It all started with a name you know well.... Karl Stumpfe!
to be continued!

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: Vintage_Canvas]
      #386830 - 17/09/24 04:52 AM

Quote:

John, i see this is a old post... may I tell you of my 8x68 journey?
It all started with a name you know well.... Karl Stumpfe!
to be continued!




Yes please.

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: NitroX]
      #386831 - 17/09/24 05:37 AM

Well you've gone bigger mate, so try a 6.5x68 instead!

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: 93x64mm]
      #386832 - 17/09/24 09:17 AM

Had one. Shot 2 snowshoe hares with it one shot. They were on the Bowrun Road, one at 200 yds. one at 220 yds. I looked at Keith and said: 2 for 1? He just smiled. POW and both dropped. We paced it off, a good 200 to the first and 220 to the second. 129gr. Hornady @ 3,100fps from my rechambered m96 mauser.
Keith ran those at 3,300fps from his P14 in 6.5x68.

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: DarylS]
      #386840 - 18/09/24 05:04 AM

So,the story started about 20 years ago, when I went to a local gunsmith to sort out scope mounts on a old .303 Enfield. After chatting about calibers and what is best for our local Karoo hunts(the Karoo is a semi desert area in South Africa with lots of springbuck, kudu, and other plains game) where the shooting distance is anything from 150-350m! At that stage I only had the old 303 and a .22!
I asked the gunsmith what caliber he would recommend... he thought for about 10sec and out the blue said if I can only have one caliber for all hunting in Africa, it must be a 8x68! At that stage i never even heard about a 8x68! My response was a 'eight by what?'
so he explained to my young mind all the pro's and what a great caliber it is... but being a poor occasional hunter with only spare cash mostly used to buy reloading components and the odd hunting trip, I put it in the back of my mind and forget about the whole 8x68 thing!
So fast forward 15 years and i manage to get my hands on a collection of Man Magnum magazines. every edition from the first one in the late 1970's to the latest one at that stage. It was like a treasure cove full of info. In one of those Magnum magazines, there was a whole article about the 8x68 that Karl Stumpfe wrote before he was a big game PH in the Caprivi. I will try and take photos of the article and post it tomorrow.
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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: Vintage_Canvas]
      #386842 - 18/09/24 05:59 AM

Thanks VC. Looking forward to it.

I first learned of the 8x68S from an Aussie magazine "Sporting Shooter". Many of us grew up reading Nick Harvey, it's Technical Editor, who wrote an review on his new rifle a Mauser M66, with swappable barrels in 6.5x68 and 8x68S.

I fell in love with the idea of it.

The 8x68S is in the same class as the .300 magnums. But SHOULD be able to take heavier bullets. The 250 grains would be ideal. It's hampered by bullets being designed for the 8x57 class, 150 grs to 200 it 220 grs. By contrast the .300 magnums have a great range of suitable bullets. The 200 and 220 gr Swift A-frames make good choices.

I loved the idea of the 6.5x68. A 93 gr SP at 4,000 fps. A 125 to 140 gr projectile of good construction would make a good flat shooter on medium game.

But while I liked the Mauser 66 it was so heavy at 4.5 kgs. Not ideal at all for carrying in the mountains.

I think our Ahmed577/Colin was influenced as well. He has av6.5x68 and 8x68S Mauser 66.

I acquired a Mauser M03 in 8x68S. Alas Mauser refused to admit they used to make a 6.5x68 barrel. I acquired the more sedate 6.5x65. Now they don't admit ever supplying that as well. That barrel still needs to be used. I still have the ambition of a 6.5x68. Maybe some custom barrel from some unknown custom barrel maker. But it must be 650 mm long. And suitable twist.

The Mauser M03 is a bit lighter. A barrel in .404 Jeffery makes it well rounded. And a ,222 Rem for the small stuff. A second M03 rifle makes it a versatile two rifle, four barrel setup.

One day I'll get the second Mauser M03 restocked with a classically styled walnut stock. Currently it has a Schnabel Germanic stock. The first has an all weather synthetic stock. Will be useful for wet climate hunting and the "second" rifle on hunts.

Nick Harvey took his 8x68S to India. Hunted red stags with it. Sometimes the same rifles andvsamevstags seemed to be in more hunt article with other hunters.

BTW Nick Harvey died this year, well into his 90s. He used to write aboutbhisvhunts with shots of extraordinary ranges. 450 metres plus on the Beach Plains of New Guinea. And elsewhere. We joked his "old" .270 was on its seventh barrel and third action. Still as good as the day he bought it!

Interest in guns,nriflex, cartridges and hopefully hunts with them provide interest and flavour for a lot of us.

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: NitroX]
      #386845 - 18/09/24 08:13 AM

The "problem" I suspect with European barrels in 6.5,68 will be a 12" rate of twist. That ctg. Needs a 9"twist to handle the 140 and 160gr. bullets.

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: DarylS]
      #386855 - 18/09/24 10:02 PM

Ok John
here is the article... I will guy you guys chance to read it, and will post the rest of my journey with my 8x68's






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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: Vintage_Canvas]
      #386867 - 19/09/24 03:40 AM

So, as I was saying....
After reading this article from Karl, I just had to get a "Great 8"!! But we know how these things go?? When you looking for something, nothing is available. Then on one of our auctions there was a 8x68 build on a mauser action, but with a hideous thick bull barrel. The discription mentioned the bull barrel, but as I was so keen on getting a "Great 8", i bought it! After a long wait for the license to be approved, The rifle arrived....












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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: Vintage_Canvas]
      #386869 - 19/09/24 03:58 AM

Only then I realised it had 2 huge flaws...
the barrel is so heavy, it will only work on a bench!
the mag box is so short, I can only load 180gr bullets, if I load 200gr and 220gr I need to feed them one by one as a single shot!
The timber on the rifle was very nice, but another sucker is enjoying it now! So I sold it...
During this time I manage to get a Musgrave RSA action in 30-06, and I spoke to my gunsmith after measurement of the mag box and the action. The long 8x68 rounds with 220gr bullets fits perfectly! So I ordered my rifle exactly like the one Karl build. I did the stock myself, and after a lenghty process of inletting and testing, the metal and wood was a perfect fit. I even fitted a old 6x42 Smith & Bender scope! Now this is becoming my go to rifle for long range hunting! I load it with 200gr Speers and 220gr Sierra and Hornady! The girl just love any bullet 200gr and up. So far I took a huge Kudu bull, a eland bull, a gemsbuck bull, a few warthogs and even some springbuck! All 1 shot kills. I only manage to retrieve a 220gr bullet from the eland bull. all the rest went straight through!
Here she is!














So after the success with the 8x68, I got myself a 10.75 x68! But that is another story to follow....

So thank you Karl! I hope you read this!

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: Vintage_Canvas]
      #386871 - 19/09/24 05:55 AM

Lovely piece of kit there VC!

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: Vintage_Canvas]
      #386882 - 19/09/24 05:17 PM

VC that is one sweet looking rifle. Congratulations on doing the stock yourself. To me it has excellent timber and looks good.

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: Rule303]
      #386924 - 23/09/24 09:00 PM

VC,

Thanks for posting "The Great Eight" article. I think I've read itor seen it before. However enjoyed rereading it,

I used Karl's own rifle before buying my own 8x68S. I remember his Mauser has no safety at all!

His experiences match mine. He mentions using a 7x64. And that while I killed fine with good shots, with lesser shots it lacked a little. My own experiences with the venerable and effective .30-06 were similar. With the 180 gr Partition andthat batches substandard performance (?) I had a lot of problem. A heart shot zebra running 500 metres! The 180 gr partitions acted like FMJs. Switching to a 200 gr Partition semi round nose (since discontinued), the problems ceased. But a 200 gr in a .30-06 doesn't have the flat trajectory for longer shots. Therefore I too sought out a 8x68S as a powerful flat shooter. A better flatter trajectory and with the power to make up for less than ideal shots.

I came to my conclusions independently. Karl's comments are parallel confirmation.

And the 8x68S SHOULD have 250 gf well constructed RNSPs and RNFMJs to match the old .318 WR and .338s.

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: Vintage_Canvas]
      #386925 - 23/09/24 09:08 PM

Quote:



So after the success with the 8x68, I got myself a 10.75 x68! But that is another story to follow....





The 10.75x68 is of course based on a different brass case. But it'd be excellent if you could start up a new thread on the 10.75x68.

One of our regular members has said he had never seen anyone actually using it. On buffalo and heavy game, I think he meant.

Nevertheless, yes please, post some photos on your 10.75x68 and your experiences. Perhaps we will get other users adding their experiences.

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: NitroX]
      #386926 - 24/09/24 02:58 AM

Seems to me my buddy Keith mentioned using the 185gr. Rem. bullet and liking it on loose and elk. His favourite 8mm bullet for his 8x68S on moose was the 196gr. yellow topped Norma dual core.

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: DarylS]
      #386933 - 26/09/24 03:11 PM

Karl says, he did "not particularly fancy modern European rifles". I agree completely.

I borrowed a member's rifle, a modern Euro rifle, a Mauser M03 off ErikD in Norway in 7x64 for moose.

What I liked about the M03 was it wasn't a over complicated mechano plastic rifle. Closer to being a traditional rifle. And I wanted a switch barrel rifle. Good enough, I've got two rifles now.

I really wanted a Mauser 98 takedown system. A series of switch barrel forends, on one or more M98 actions rear halves.

How cool say a .300 H&H Magnum and a .375 H&H Magnum takedown. Except when you want one for a buffalo and a long gemsbok shot on the same day.

Or 6.5x68, 8x68S and a .404 Jeffery.

But a custom M98 takedown system in that would have cost five to ten times as much as my M03 system.

So far the M03s have survived, I've used the .222 barrel the most, and then the .404. The 8x68S barrel must see use. I0A red stag was spotted not far from here on the weekend, immediately thought of the 8x68S as the "stag cartridge". But funny, my old stand by, my M98 .30-06. Both good choices. That stag must be near antler shedding this time of the year.

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: NitroX]
      #386934 - 26/09/24 03:23 PM

Karl's article mentions "Custom bullet makers like Ken Stewart offer bullets up to 250 grs".

I must investigate.

Woodleigh made a 250 gr RN SP as well. I put them on my order list pre the fire. I received a heavy box of assorted projectiles, depending on what was in stock at the time. Most of the order unsatistisfied. I forget what was in the box and what wasn't. Most were the usual ones.

Any 250 gr .323 RNSP MUST be well constructed. Its supposed to be a buffalo killer. And an accompanying FMJ,

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: NitroX]
      #386952 - 27/09/24 07:13 PM

John, I will post pics of the 10.75x68 under a new post.
I have 250 gr Claw softnose bullets for the 8x68. Claw is a local manufacturer here in SA, and I used his bullets in my 8x60S with great success on blue wildebeest and warthogs! will try some in the 8x68 and let you guys know! will post some photos later of the bullets.
Ken Stewart is also a local bullet made in SA. I have not use them, but a lot of hunters like them.
https://www.sapremiumbullets.co.za/sapremium-claw.html

Check out this website for more info on Claw and some other bullets available here...

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: Vintage_Canvas]
      #386997 - 29/09/24 11:43 PM

I stumbled into the 8x68 in a roundabout way. It all started with me buying a 35 caliber 'mystery rifle' which turned out to be a '98 Mauser chambered in .35 Newton. Research on the Newton showed that brass could be made from .375 Ruger or 8x68. The Ruger brass was available at the time but I kept my eyes open for the 8x68. A bag of brass showed up one day on GB and I put in a bid. No one else bid against me and I became the owner of maybe 75 pieces of new brass. The funny thing is I was so focused on the Newton that I never looked into the 8x68!

That all changed when the brass was delivered and I held one in my hand. It was such a nice looking case I couldn't bear to cut it down for the Newton so on the shelf they went. Some time later, Midway sent me an e-mail advertising RCBS dies for the 8x68 at something like $35! So now I have dies, brass and bullets---only one other piece needed.

A few years pass while I scanned the auction sites occasionally with no real luck. At the time, a friend was looking for a Brno ZKK in .458WM. Another friend was selling off an estate and mentioned he had one in 8x68! Finally, the missing piece is found.

I have shot it a bit but haven't hunted with it yet. It will probably get out in the field this fall or in the spring when we go chase hogs.


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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: Hoot]
      #387019 - 01/10/24 03:11 AM

Hoot, thanks for the story! Photos please... so we can see you rifle! What make and model?
What bullets do you use?

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Re: When one has a 8x68S, does one need a ? [Re: Vintage_Canvas]
      #387023 - 01/10/24 09:07 AM

Founds this. Barnes TTSX is 160gr.
https://www.barnesbullets.com/product/tipped-tsx/

Looks larger than 8mm -

Ballistic Coefficient:

G1 .400

Sectional Density:

.219

Length:

1.279"


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