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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: DarylS]
      #322083 - 02/12/18 09:31 AM

Daryl, that IS a neat looking rifle!

lancaster, your threads are always fascinating.

I always find sporting arms from the non-anglo/non-teutonic world quite interesting. I have no exposure to them but the French have always been great hunters and have bed some of the finest hounds over the centuries, and of course their vast world-wide empire always lives in the shadow of the British in the English-speaking world.

Quite interesting to think of one of those rivals in the sweltering heat on the spoor of a tiger in Indochina!

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #322086 - 02/12/18 09:37 AM

That Kahles is almost identical to the one on my George Gibbs 303.
Shows that even the Brits were not averse to utilizing a quality design in their own rifles.
Take the Mauser/Rigby scope mounting system - first it was Mauser's and then it became Rigby's.

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Huvius]
      #322312 - 09/12/18 06:09 AM

its the post war 10,75x68 but belongs to the rival rifle


1958 catalog



and 1965 catalog



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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: DarylS]
      #322317 - 09/12/18 12:02 PM

my neighbor had a kr200 messerschmitt always wanted one like riding in a fighter plane. a real slow one

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: ducmarc]
      #327269 - 14/04/19 08:16 PM

another 8x50R lebel, SN 592
http://www.collections.musee-art-industr...72xapwci0otkv1z



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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #332317 - 14/09/19 04:54 AM

a short Mousqueton Rival Carbine, .405 WIN caliber, SN 521
with 20" barrel sold in Texas for 1700$ last summer what seems me low priced for such a rare rifle.
https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Milita...mation/49091738





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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #344529 - 23/08/20 03:03 PM

I forgot about these things. Still love em though!

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: DarylS]
      #344541 - 23/08/20 10:24 PM

Lancaster ,
Thank you for the interesting post.
The .405 carbine would be a very compact, handy, and powerful brush and truck gun.
I had to smile when I first saw the slope of the magazine as it is so much like that of my Winchester 1895 .405.


I own a Manufrance-made 12 gauge pump distributed by Marlin many years ago. A well made gun that has broken many clay targets and taken its share of fowl including wild turkey.

Is Manufrance still making guns?

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: crshelton]
      #344557 - 24/08/20 05:07 PM

Manufrance stopped trading in the early 1980's and was declared bankrupt in 1985; the company, which had specialised in catalog based sales since their creation in 1885 had not anticipated on the market change. Manufrance was the reference for hunting, fishing, cycling and all outdoor/farming life supply; they were supplying all rural France and the colonies and were the larger employer in the city of Saint Etienne in central France, where they were based. I can recall buying their catalog each year when a teenager and spending hours browsing repeatedly through it.
Since the late 80's a 'new' Manufrance re-started trading on a much limited scale and still manufactures shotguns that were previously manufactured by the 'older' Manufrance.
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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Louis]
      #344564 - 24/08/20 09:32 PM

Thank you Louis for the information. It is good to hear Manufrance is till extant.
It must be challenging for a huge established corporation to handle dramatic market changes.
Sears is one such example in the US.

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: crshelton]
      #348782 - 03/01/21 03:59 AM

8x50R Lebel , long rifle ,https://www.azurarmes.fr/armes-et-objets-vendus/1893-rare-carabine-rival-8-mm-lebel-categorie-d.html













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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #356631 - 07/09/21 05:00 AM

a 405 Win that sold very quickly over the last weekend, SN 525
https://www.naturabuy.fr/Mousqueton-DAUDETEAU-item-8272770.html

























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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #367597 - 09/07/22 02:49 AM

SN 525 in 405 Winchester, https://www.naturabuy.fr/RIVAL-DAUDETEAU--item-9277458.html





















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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #375247 - 18/03/23 03:13 AM

Here's mine!

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Marc]
      #375250 - 18/03/23 03:58 AM

I'll take it boar hunting next year.

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Marc]
      #375252 - 18/03/23 04:28 AM

bonjour
allways have a special relationship with the 8x50R because a Lebel rifle was my first illegal one when I was 14. later got it on licence with an amnesty.of course, I shoot it before.
You load your own hunting ammo with PRVI brass? what bullet, a .323 S hunting bullet? don't know if Privi make .326 softpoints.

what I ask myself is the legal status this rifle had in france from 1939 over decades when the military caliber was banned for civilians. We know this was no problem if the rifle was in the colonys because it only matter in the mainland. was there a special licence for such a hunting rifles in a forbidden caliber in this time?

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #375254 - 18/03/23 04:57 AM

Howdy!
Me too, I always loved this cartridge. I remember my grandfather, he told me about this rifle that was firing at five kilometers, as it was written in the dictionary.
I shot several boars with my Berthier mousqueton, it have a pretty tight bore, so I used RWS 323" bullets with nice accuracy.
I owned lots of 8mm Lebel rifles or mousquetons, and bores range in size from 325" to 330". I slugged this Rival, and I found .333"!
I haven't shot it yet. But I think to size down 338" bullets to 334". I already did it for my 10,75X68. A cartridge loaded with Hornady Interlock 250 grains round nose would look good!

A Lebel rifle is no laughting matter. I own one with superb bore (very scarce thing), and regularly I beat shooters firing much more modern guns, with Lothar barrels...
I use Prvi brass, but Tpm bullets, they're astonishing.

Until 1939 everything was free, from pistols to machineguns. I don't know in colonies, but I had a friend who made meat in the 50's with a 1907-15 rifle, so it was probably free.

Edited by Marc (18/03/23 05:13 AM)

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Marc]
      #375256 - 18/03/23 06:10 AM

.333 is hefty! for an original .326 bullet but I suspect it was working once.
PRVI make a 208 grains softpoint for the austrian /hungarian 8x56R that should measure .330
https://www.prvipartizan.com/search_rbl.php
this could be the right stuff for your rifle.

you maybe have a problem with your die set when loading such an oversized bullet./?

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #375257 - 18/03/23 06:26 AM

They're hard to find, but I'm not in a hurry!

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Marc]
      #375281 - 18/03/23 11:08 PM

I would like to see some pics with such a rifle on the range and hunting

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #375289 - 19/03/23 02:37 AM

and btw, it would be most interesting to see how the magazine works internal, how it hold the upper cartridge and how it avoid rim lock or not

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #375291 - 19/03/23 03:03 AM

Here it is!

It’s pretty in the catalogue pages, but I wouldn’t bet my life on it...

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Marc]
      #375296 - 19/03/23 06:47 AM

this looks like it work very similar to a Mosin magazine



I would say the red arrow points to the case ejector.
the button in the red circle operates the cartridge interrupter ( blue arrow) when you close the bolt. than another cartridge move to the top so it can be taken by the bolt when you reload the rifle. when open the bolt you can unload the magazine when you push the button.
is this right?



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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
      #375297 - 19/03/23 07:04 AM

Yes. But you have to push the bolt cartridge after cartridge to unload the magazine.

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Marc]
      #375298 - 19/03/23 07:11 AM

ok, thanks
I thought in the way the Steyr M 12 pistol empty the magazine.

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