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Marrakai
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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: 93x64mm]
#366615 - 11/06/22 11:09 AM

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How hard is it to get the enbloc clips for these guys now-a-days?

There always seems to be a few of these for sale most of the time, but their scarcity does push the price up.

I was looking a while back, seeing around twenty bucks a clip being asked on-line, but ended up doing a swap with a mate.

Pretty sure I mentioned it here somewhere: I bought a Terni Carcano a while back, a cut-down rifle retaining wood to the muzzle like a MS 1903, with a neat after-market metal nose-cap. Will toss up some photos on a new thread FYI when I get time.

Nice little sporters when converted, that's for sure.
Everything said about the 6.5 Mannlicher probably applies equally here.
...except perhaps the slickness of the action!

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: Marrakai]
#366629 - 11/06/22 11:59 PM

change the little spring that drive the "ejector" bolt upwards. normaly its very stiff and press against the bolt so a softer spring will make it easier to cicle.

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
#366643 - 12/06/22 08:53 AM

Thanks for that excellent advice, lancaster!

Will investigate...

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: Marrakai]
#366660 - 12/06/22 05:24 PM

iirc, the spring is here inside

its the reason you hold the carcano upside down with open bolt and the bolt will not close by gravity

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
#366664 - 12/06/22 07:20 PM

Sounds like a good reason to try swapping it out for a Bic biro spring!

Seriously, did that with the trigger on my Ruger M77 .308. Works a treat!

But thanks for the instructional pic there lancaster, appreciated.
Will definitely try a lighter spring in the Carcano, but no, not a biro spring on a military trigger or ejector!

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: 93x64mm]
#368923 - 03/09/22 04:23 AM

stutzen, rechambered for 6,5x54 MS https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/kugelrepetierer/carcano-gebirgsstutzen--433106

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
#368924 - 03/09/22 06:32 AM

Handy little piece Lancaster!
Cool for end being a piece of antler

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: 93x64mm]
#379048 - 02/09/23 05:57 PM

A little more work on my 35 Carcano....

Roger

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: yumastepside]
#379392 - 16/09/23 03:26 PM

Did a bit of playing around with optic mounts...

...I think a red dot would be the go....

Roger

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: yumastepside]
#379397 - 16/09/23 09:18 PM

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A little more work on my 35 Carcano....

Roger

What's the calibre Yuma - .35???

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: 93x64mm]
#379398 - 16/09/23 10:07 PM

Fitted a 358 barrel from a 35 Sambar, cut the chamber off and reamed to 6.5x54 MS with a 35 cal pilot then 35 neck and shoulder reamer.
What I call " 35 Carcano ", a bit more than a 35 Remington and a bit less than 358 Win.
I'm about to start developing a load for it using 180gr hard cast powdercoated projectiles, most likely 356 Win load data or 358 Win start loads.

L-R 35 Rem, 35 Carcano, 30-30 Win

Roger

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: yumastepside]
#379399 - 16/09/23 10:36 PM

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Fitted a 358 barrel from a 35 Sambar, cut the chamber off and reamed to 6.5x54 MS with a 35 cal pilot.
What I call " 35 Carcano ", a bit more than a 35 Remington and a bit less than 358 Win.
I'm about to start developing a load for it using 180gr hard cast powdercoated projectiles, most likely 356 Win load data or 358 Win start loads.

Roger

Question:

When you open the bolt on a M/C, can you spin the bolt sleeve/cocking piece or is there some sort of detent or lock that keeps it in place?

The Swede 94/96 lacks such a lock and in a video Ian McCollum who is also left handed like I am had issues w/ the M/C functioning left handed as he bumped the open bolt and caused the sleeve to turn thus fouling and preventing closure of the bolt.

From reading on the M/C I think it looks like an interesting action for a project like yours but as a lefty, I'm curious about this.

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: 9.3x57]
#379406 - 17/09/23 08:21 AM

Nope! On both of my Terni Carcano's the cocking piece is stopped from rotating by the safety tab when in the open position and when closed and cocked, the cocking piece guide is inside the feed rail.

Roger

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: yumastepside]
#379407 - 17/09/23 03:09 PM

I would say the safety of the carcano - genius as it is, maybe the best of all military rifles - is a pain to use for a left hander.

yumastepside, you are the real inventor of the 35 Carcano? why not perpetuate yourself on this wildcat with a name like .35 YSS-Carcano or similar?

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
#379413 - 17/09/23 10:20 PM

Thanks but no.

Roger

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: yumastepside]
#379415 - 17/09/23 11:30 PM

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Thanks but no.

Roger

That's a really neat project.

Years ago I remember reading of M/C's being rebarreled to 7.62x39 & read of a mod made to a Ruger Mini-30 in necking the case up to .35. 180 grain bullets were about the max weight useful in that rifle tho.

Your idea sounds better as the extra powder capacity will be useful.

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: 9.3x57]
#379430 - 18/09/23 08:29 AM

I've found that the expanded case is almost identical to the 356 Win. so it should be able to use up to a 220 or even 250 gr pill. Other than buffalo and some of the larger deer, we don't really have any large or dangerous game here, but I think this round and it's light and handy rifle would be great for pigs, Fallow and any of our general game.

Roger

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: yumastepside]
#379782 - 02/10/23 06:22 AM

https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/re...hr-1913--506149

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
#379783 - 02/10/23 07:19 AM

Very nice, I love those old style carbines.

Roger

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: yumastepside]
#379788 - 02/10/23 10:39 AM

Consider the working pressure for the 6.5 Carcano is 41,000 PSI (Pezio) CIP and the .356 Winchester is 60,000 PSI (Pezio) CIP and the .358 Winch. is 59,000 PSI (Pezio) CIP, I'd go easy on those .356 loads for your wildcat.
Very interesting ctg. though.

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: DarylS]
#379791 - 02/10/23 05:50 PM

I don't know if it would be a big problem, many of these were converted to 6.5x54 MS which runs 52.000 PSI and even 6.5x55 Swedes, as a single shot, and even a few in .308 Win. From what I've read, the Italians paid a lot for the steel recipe and they are quite a strong action, just not a popular one...

Roger

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: yumastepside]
#379792 - 03/10/23 12:00 AM

original action and barrel rebore for 8x57IS is safe

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
#379795 - 03/10/23 02:33 AM

8x57's all ran 57,000psi CIP, seems to me.
Of course, the .308 is 62,000psi.

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: lancaster]
#379804 - 03/10/23 11:44 AM

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original action and barrel rebore for 8x57IS is safe

A friend of mine had one of those Volksgewehr M/C 8x57's. The barrel unscrewed by merely twisting it with the hand!!

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Re: a very nice look alike MS Carcano [Re: 9.3x57]
#381820 - 08/01/24 06:49 AM

a typical 1950s austrian hunting rifle https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/repetiererbuechse/carcano-m38-jagdlich--524894

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