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Cogswell & Harrison .500 BP Express?
      #365223 - 04/05/22 10:20 PM

Have you heard of a Henry Pielling .410 DR?







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Re: Have you heard of a Henry Pielling .410 DR? [Re: NitroX]
      #365226 - 04/05/22 10:58 PM

On auction I presume?
Interesting, from the pictures of the action & locks it looks to be British 1870’s -1880’s styling..
…….so a “.410” double rifle, I wonder if it was bored out smooth or if the auction house (if an auction) just used the description to mean an unknown .40 calibre?
“Henry Pielling” was perhaps a retailer?
- Mike

ADDED:
Ah hah, not Henry Peilling after all?
Found this from back in 2011, I’d opine that it has to be the same gun/rifle:
https://www.shotgunworld.com/threads/henrys-pielling.271537/

Would be quite revealing to see more and better pictures……action, locks, barrel flats, proof marks, barrel inscription.


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Re: Have you heard of a Henry Pielling .410 DR? [Re: 3DogMike]
      #365227 - 05/05/22 01:38 AM

Yes I agree. Henry Rifling does indeed sound more likely.
Perhaps a .360 bored out?

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Re: Have you heard of a Henry Pielling .410 DR? [Re: DarylS]
      #365246 - 05/05/22 09:52 AM

I’m with Daryl, probably a bored out .360. It would make a fun little shotgun for clays.
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Re: Have you heard of a Henry Pielling .410 DR? [Re: 3DogMike]
      #365251 - 05/05/22 05:02 PM

Quote:



ADDED:
Ah hah, not Henry Peilling after all?
Found this from back in 2011, I’d opine that it has to be the same gun/rifle:
https://www.shotgunworld.com/threads/henrys-pielling.271537/

Would be quite revealing to see more and better pictures……action, locks, barrel flats, proof marks, barrel inscription.




Ah, probably when it was auctioned. Was it that long ago? What a safe queen owner I have become.

Yes I bought it.

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Re: Have you heard of a Henry Pielling .410 DR? [Re: DarylS]
      #365252 - 05/05/22 05:03 PM

Quote:

Yes I agree. Henry Rifling does indeed sound more likely.
Perhaps a .360 bored out?



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Re: Have you heard of a Henry Pielling .410 DR? [Re: bwanabobftw]
      #365253 - 05/05/22 05:25 PM

It would but way way too muzzle heavy to make a nice clay shotgun. Would help with follow through swing.

I did buy it at auction. For too many $$$. Been sitting in my safe for an age.

I might have some better images taken for a police audit. But on my damaged laptop. They want more images ... Of the almost completely worn off print engraving. I will take some better images.

Btw I hope I have that tatty old gun case! I may have it. Not sure if it turned up with the rifle.

First it is not a .410 shotgun. It has express sights. Too many forumites saw the express sights on both guns auctioned. I bid way too much for both especially this one.

I bought it as a .410 but it is not. During the self audit I redeclared the registration as probably a .500 BP Express. It still needs slugging and a casting of the chamber.

For the police reading this, I have no ammo for it, never shot it, it also fits well a definition of a non shooting antique. However it is registered as I do hope one day to shoot it and even hunt with it.

Henry Pielling? Daryl is spot on. It is very very faint but Henry Rifling is correct.

Very very faint, using a torch at angles and a lot of imagination, the maker Cogswell & Harrison might be discernable.

So it might be:
- A .500 BP Express. By measuring the bore.
- It is a long barrelled by hammer BP Express rifle. Any visible proofs need to be examined and interpreted.
- Henry Rifling.
- Probably a Cogswell & Harrison.


Before getting new images, what might be it's age, manufacturing date? New images will no doubt help.

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Re: Have you heard of a Henry Pielling .410 DR? [Re: NitroX]
      #365264 - 06/05/22 01:47 AM

Hello John,
From the looks of the action fences, no stalking safeties and rebounding locks, it screams late 1870's into 1880's, , "if" there are any readable Henry's Patent barrel numbers those can narrow the dates considerably.
Cogswell & Harrison do have most of their records, so if they are out from under COVID restrictions they might look up the serial number and give you the details. As well, it is quite possible that Cogswell & Harrison sourced this one from Alexander Henry as it has the previously noted "look" to the locks and action. Maybe a vintage restock?
Nice old rifle, looking forward to you getting your laptop "festival" sorted and some better pictures.
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Re: Have you heard of a Henry Pielling .410 DR? [Re: 3DogMike]
      #365279 - 06/05/22 11:40 AM

Well have fun with it !!!!!! I know you’ll put it to good use.
Congrats,
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Re: Have you heard of a Henry Pielling .410 DR? [Re: 3DogMike]
      #365292 - 07/05/22 01:19 AM

Mine too, but some time ago.

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Re: Have you heard of a Henry Pielling .410 DR? [Re: DarylS]
      #366435 - 08/06/22 05:39 AM

John,
Any progress on figuring out this nice old enigma?
- Mike

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