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3DogMike
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1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV
#365624 - 19/05/22 12:58 PM

Just a couple of teaser pictures for now.
Bore is absolutely pristine excellent.
Have not gotten it to the range yet………
- Mike

100 yard standing with 2 leaves marked 300 yards and 400 yards. 25" barrel and 7lbs 10oz

Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers on top and Rigby .275HV on bottom

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Huvius
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: 3DogMike]
#365626 - 19/05/22 01:39 PM

And to think you could have bought a Highland Stalker instead of an old junker like that...

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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: Huvius]
#365646 - 19/05/22 09:36 PM

"And to think you could have bought a Highland Stalker instead of an old junker like that..."

LOL!!

Lovely rifle!!!

The forearm looks longer than the usual Rigby configuration to me. Maybe special ordered that way?

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NitroX
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: Huvius]
#365648 - 19/05/22 11:38 PM

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And to think you could have bought a Highland Stalker instead of an old junker like that...

We need the price comparisons after that comment?

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Louis
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: NitroX]
#365650 - 20/05/22 02:23 AM

Congratulations on your new acquisition, Mike; a really fine one!
Louis

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3DogMike
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: degoins]
#365655 - 20/05/22 03:50 AM

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"And to……..(snip)….

The forearm looks longer than the usual Rigby configuration to me. Maybe special ordered that way?

Good eye! Yes the forearm is about 1” longer than my Cogswell & Harrison .242 and my Mauser Type A 9.3
Steve Bertram, who has seen and handled a lot of British sporting rifles, noticed that forearm right away.

There was no note in the Rigby records as to a special order length, it was sold by Rigby to W. Atkinson & Son a retailer in Lancaster, Lancashire.

Detail pictures and a range report in due course.
- Mike

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3DogMike
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: Huvius]
#365656 - 20/05/22 03:59 AM

Quote:

And to think you could have bought a Highland Stalker instead of an old junker like that...

Right!

- Mike

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“Always carry a flask of whiskey in case of snakebite, and furthermore always carry a small snake."
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degoins
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: 3DogMike]
#365659 - 20/05/22 04:49 AM

Looking forward to more pictures and the range report. Thanks again sharing.

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3DogMike
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: degoins]
#365689 - 21/05/22 04:06 AM

Some detail pictures of the Rigby. I'm no professional photographer as you may be able to tell.
All the proof marks are under the wood so no pictures of those right away.
My plan is to get the scope mount screw holes filled and resurrect the engraving on the front ring back to original look as it came out of Rigby in 1936
That hideous rough cast finish Parker Hale after market safety has to go, will replace with traditional Mauser 98 safety, once again to return it to it's 1936 roots.
If there is anything specific you would like to have a picture of just let me know.
- Mike

Mauser number above Rigby serial number

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"Will Rogers never met a fighter pilot"
- Anon

“Always carry a flask of whiskey in case of snakebite, and furthermore always carry a small snake."
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3DogMike
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: 3DogMike]
#365691 - 21/05/22 06:19 AM

Original wood numbered to the rifle:

London Proof Marks:

Barrel number?

Mauser production stamps, I don't know enough about these to comment:

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- Anon

“Always carry a flask of whiskey in case of snakebite, and furthermore always carry a small snake."
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93x64mm
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: 3DogMike]
#365692 - 21/05/22 06:39 AM

Lovely find you have there Mike!
Great old cartridge too!
140gn Noslers do well on deer

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prairie_ghost
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: 93x64mm]
#365697 - 21/05/22 09:41 AM

So is this a military or commercial action. If Military, why would they have used it. And so what if they did, is there any real difference other than cachet afforded the commercial action?

Edited by prairie_ghost (21/05/22 09:45 AM)

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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: prairie_ghost]
#365698 - 21/05/22 11:07 AM

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So is this a military or commercial action. If Military, why would they have used it. And so what if they did, is there any real difference other than cachet afforded the commercial action?

I don't think the Oberndorf Mauser Sporters use the bullet point opening magazine floorplate which was the normal Military opener, the sporters used either the lever under the floorplate or button in the trigger bow? Rigby being the Mauser agent it is surprising they would use a military action unlike Jeffery and others who used them wanting to cut Rigby's prices out of the deal.

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degoins
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: eagle27]
#365708 - 21/05/22 11:22 PM

The Oberndorf sporting actions used a variety of magazine openers. A lot of variance in the sporter configuration even between the various models.

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degoins
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: degoins]
#365709 - 21/05/22 11:24 PM

Again Mike, thanks for sharing that treasure with us.

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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: degoins]
#365710 - 22/05/22 12:13 AM

Would the timeframe of 1936 have anything to do with the choice of using mil vs commercial action. Throughout the archives stored on the site I do not recall seeing another. Very nice rifle.

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bouldersmith
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: prairie_ghost]
#365735 - 22/05/22 11:33 PM

This rifle was built on a commercial action with a military style floorplate release, it is not a military action or bottom metal. I have seen quite a few pre-war Rigby rifles in this configuration from early 1900's transitional actions to this late 30's gun. While the floorplate release is the same as a military gun, the shape of the trigger bow is more refined with a waist and is nicely domed.

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DORLEAC
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: bouldersmith]
#365761 - 23/05/22 04:34 PM

In fact, the .275 Rigby made before the war came out from the Oberndorf factory as barrelled actions fully finished in the white and proofed while Rigby only intervention was limited to stocking, sighting and finishing.
The .275 used intermediate length action and, to date, all the ones I got in hands had this type of floorplate, a magazine found on commercial C-Types as well as quite a few other civilian models.

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3DogMike
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: DORLEAC]
#365784 - 24/05/22 01:36 AM

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In fact, the .275 Rigby made before the war came out from the Oberndorf factory as barrelled actions fully finished in the white and proofed while Rigby only intervention was limited to stocking, sighting and finishing.
The .275 used intermediate length action and, to date, all the ones I got in hands had this type of floorplate, a magazine found on commercial C-Types as well as quite a few other civilian models.

DORLEAC
www.dorleac-dorleac.com

Thanks for this input (as well as Steve's (bouldersmith), very informative to hear from fellows that really know the trade.

Interestingly enough I suspect Rigby had (at least in the 1930's) some of the stocking outsourced to "the trade". My Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers has almost line for line & inch for inch (mm?) exactly the same stocking, buttplate, and checkering on forend/pistol grip. I would suspect they both had to have come from the same stocker/checkerer?
As well, this Rigby carries no German proof marks whatsoever, only London proof marks.
- Mike

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- Anon

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NitroX
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: 3DogMike]
#365787 - 24/05/22 03:02 AM

Yes excellent input by Joel.

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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: NitroX]
#365813 - 24/05/22 09:49 AM

What a wonderful old rifle !!!!!!!!!!Thanks for sharing it with us.
Robert

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NitroX
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: bwanabobftw]
#365830 - 24/05/22 07:43 PM

Is a .275HV any different to a 7x57? Or a .275 Rigby? Other than by name?

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DORLEAC
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: 3DogMike]
#365838 - 24/05/22 09:19 PM

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As well, this Rigby carries no German proof marks whatsoever, only London proof marks.
- Mike

Please check if the action is an intermediate one.
Some .275 we reassembled on standard length action with English barrels.
I'm very busy but will try to post good pictures of various N°1HV rifles.

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Marrakai
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: DORLEAC]
#365845 - 24/05/22 11:35 PM

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Is a .275HV any different to a 7x57? Or a .275 Rigby?

John:
It is the same cartridge but loaded with a 140gr bullet, thus achieving "higher velocity" than the standard 173-grainer.

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3DogMike
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Re: 1936 vintage Rigby in .275HV [Re: Marrakai]
#365848 - 25/05/22 12:18 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Is a .275HV any different to a 7x57? Or a .275 Rigby?

John:
It is the same cartridge but loaded with a 140gr bullet, thus achieving "higher velocity" than the standard 173-grainer.

+1
To add to the discussion; the appellation ".275 Rigby" is a fairly modern adaptation of the cartridge name. Originally was known as the ".275 Bore cartridge ….. for Rigby Magazine Rifle" or "for Mauser-Rigby Rifle"
The "HV" was simply to set the 140 grain bullet at 2800'/sec apart from the "standard" loading 7x57 Mauser (or .275 as known in England and the Colonies).
The only apparent difference in the rifles was how the iron sights were filed in for the specific loadings and then engraved/stamped with the proper cartridge info.
- Mike

ADDED:
Removed the stock & measured the action, it is almost assuredly a "standard length" commercial action.

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- Anon

“Always carry a flask of whiskey in case of snakebite, and furthermore always carry a small snake."
-- W. C. Fields

Edited by 3DogMike (25/05/22 03:14 AM)

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