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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: Rule303]
      #365143 - 02/05/22 06:52 PM

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To me the big advantage of the wheel gun is, fail to fire pull the trigger again and should fire do not need to rack it.




Good point.



Ha ha sort of like a lot of tv semi auto's and autos where the actor goes click click click pulling the trigger when the magazine was empty! Must all be double actions!


But good point on that feature of a revolver. Unless the revolver cylinder is jammed.

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: Jim_C]
      #365144 - 02/05/22 06:56 PM

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How does the good old .45 ACP 1911s go?

Not on paper, bearlike penetration and "knockdown"?




At contact distance, I had 6 or 7 (of 8) hot-loaded 45 acp rounds go through the body of a roughly 300# black bear. No complaints about the performance of the round, or the bullets, but cleaning the pistol was an absolute PITA.




Thanks. Cleaning the handgun or one's pants!

Thanks for relating the experience.

The 1911 .45 ACP sounds like old reliable. Able to flatten a Moro tribesman. Or a bear at close range. One needs to be able to handle is power and recoil. And the seven round magazine is a negative. But even in Australia I read prior to banning in 2003 was the most popular handgun. I almost bought one or two once upon a time ... Alas no handgun licence at the time.

I still want one! Must find a legal way.

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #365160 - 03/05/22 12:24 AM

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Fairly big hide. Looked a lot larger than when it was moving. Bear size is really difficult to judge when they are standing or running in low brush.




To me it looked like the bear had a younger head on it... but I might (am) be a little crazy...

Saw a much bigger one this weekend.. they are out...

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: NitroX]
      #365180 - 03/05/22 10:16 PM

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The Derringer is more of a women's thigh pistol and a bar room brawling piece. Last ditch defence against a mugger at extreme close range.





A friend of an acquaintance used to have a derringer belt buckle. In the good old days 9f the 1990s and earlier flew around thecwotld wearing it. Not for bears though.

I have one too. But mine is hollow sadly.

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: NitroX]
      #365196 - 04/05/22 02:18 AM

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The Derringer is more of a women's thigh pistol and a bar room brawling piece. Last ditch defence against a mugger at extreme close range.





A friend of an acquaintance used to have a derringer belt buckle. In the good old days 9f the 1990s and earlier flew around thecwotld wearing it. Not for bears though.

I have one too. But mine is hollow sadly.




Using a derringer for bears reminds me of an old saying around here..

You had better file the front sight off and sand the front part of that weapon if you are going to use it for bear defense.. That way it won't hurt as bad when the bear is shoving it up your rear end..

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #365245 - 05/05/22 09:19 AM

All you really need, is a Duck.



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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: NitroX]
      #365261 - 05/05/22 11:38 PM

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How does the good old .45 ACP 1911s go?

Not on paper, bearlike penetration and "knockdown"?




At contact distance, I had 6 or 7 (of 8) hot-loaded 45 acp rounds go through the body of a roughly 300# black bear. No complaints about the performance of the round, or the bullets, but cleaning the pistol was an absolute PITA.




Thanks. Cleaning the handgun or one's pants!

Thanks for relating the experience.

The 1911 .45 ACP sounds like old reliable. Able to flatten a Moro tribesman. Or a bear at close range. One needs to be able to handle is power and recoil. And the seven round magazine is a negative. But even in Australia I read prior to banning in 2003 was the most popular handgun. I almost bought one or two once upon a time ... Alas no handgun licence at the time.

I still want one! Must find a legal way.




45 ACP's are a ton of fun.. got on a kick a few years back and bought several.. lots of fun and certainly have a punch to them on the receiving end compared to a 9mm..

Personally I like the 10mm more..

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #365267 - 06/05/22 03:49 AM

To put things into perspective.. pic of a bear killed in Montana a few years back.. AND we have the small ones...

FB_IMG_1651766460097 by A Hoffart, on Flickr

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #365268 - 06/05/22 03:50 AM

FB_IMG_1651766360121 by A Hoffart, on Flickr

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #365272 - 06/05/22 06:37 AM

With bears like yours Ripp, step 7 happens very quickly above if the bear get cranky!

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: 93x64mm]
      #365288 - 07/05/22 12:15 AM



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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: NitroX]
      #365290 - 07/05/22 01:11 AM

I thought you just kicked him in the nackers. I saw that on the internet.

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: 260rem]
      #365319 - 08/05/22 02:32 AM

I finally wrote up my full story on the 9mm bear incident and it's in the 2021 Gun Digest with numerous photos.
Before I carried I tested the Buffalo Bore ammo against known deep penetrating loads, including the 30 Tokarev, 357 , 44 mag and 475,Linebaugh and was confident it would work.

Power and bore diameter or great , but the ability of the shooter to make quick, multiple hits while under stress is of even more importance. Self defense , where the ability to make hits quickly while under stress, is not the same as stalking close and carefully placing a single hit on an unwary animal

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: 458Win]
      #365321 - 08/05/22 04:06 AM

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I finally wrote up my full story on the 9mm bear incident and it's in the 2021 Gun Digest with numerous photos.
Before I carried I tested the Buffalo Bore ammo against known deep penetrating loads, including the 30 Tokarev, 357 , 44 mag and 475,Linebaugh and was confident it would work.

Power and bore diameter or great , but the ability of the shooter to make quick, multiple hits while under stress is of even more importance. Self defense , where the ability to make hits quickly while under stress, is not the same as stalking close and carefully placing a single hit on an unwary animal




Great info Phil..Thank you for sharing.

If anyone would know it would be you..

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #365329 - 08/05/22 09:51 AM

I have fired a 44Mag Derringer. It was bloody hard to hold in the hand before firing. Had to use mid finger to pull trigger. The full blown loads just about dislocated my thumb. Clean missed the target at 3 meters. Bloody slow to use.

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: Rule303]
      #365330 - 08/05/22 10:00 AM

Derringers for anything other than a lark, are just a joke.

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #365388 - 11/05/22 01:51 AM

Here's one "better" than a .44 Mag Derringer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJQBbUIFIvU&ab_channel=KentuckyBallistics

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #365390 - 11/05/22 02:23 AM

Was in YNP over the weekend with my family.. had a semi-auto on me the entire time.. Apendix carry.. 10MM S&W.. and felt happy I did..

We saw lots of bear tracks around on more than one of our hikes.. Its spring and bears are hungry.. Saw one black bear that was super skinny.. could see his ribs..

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #365395 - 11/05/22 06:13 AM

That's not normal, even in the spring.
May have been sickly.

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #365422 - 12/05/22 03:32 AM

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That's not normal, even in the spring.
May have been sickly.




My guess as well.. and yes, skinniest spring bear I have ever seen.. brown color phase black bear..

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #365423 - 12/05/22 03:33 AM


ON THE LOOSE

US soldier killed by BEAR during training exercise on Alaska’s JBER base as troopers hunt beast...

Chris Bradford
5:34 ET, May 11 2022

https://www.the-sun.com/news/5312134/us-army-soldier-killed-bear-alaska-jber-base/

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #365438 - 12/05/22 03:30 PM

No use packing blanks in bear country.

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: 260rem]
      #365459 - 13/05/22 11:18 PM

Did they only have blanks? I wonder if any shots were fired? Training in wild places involves dealing with the wildlife.

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: NitroX]
      #365473 - 14/05/22 03:15 PM

Thirteen Yards in One Second: Why You Can Never Outrun a Charging Bear

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Bear attacks sometimes happen so quickly that there's nothing you can do to stop them—and you certainly can't run

BY TYLER FREEL | PUBLISHED MAY 13, 2022 2:00 PM


https://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/game-c...-charging-bear/

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Re: Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm vs .44 Mag. [Re: Ripp]
      #365474 - 14/05/22 04:16 PM

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Thirteen Yards in One Second: Why You Can Never Outrun a Charging Bear

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Bear attacks sometimes happen so quickly that there's nothing you can do to stop them—and you certainly can't run

BY TYLER FREEL | PUBLISHED MAY 13, 2022 2:00 PM


https://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/game-c...-charging-bear/




Boy he's one lucky dude to say the least!


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