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A modern howdah cartridge
#365184 - 03/05/22 10:59 PM

I've got an itch and it needs scratching ....

I was dreaming of whether a current experienced double rifle maker could make a howdah pistol

An appropriately sized action. Under lever or side lever.

Action shaped or reshaped with a curved tang and curved trigger "plate".

Hammers.

Appropriate length barrels. Well regulated as well as a handgun can be.

Now what cartridge and chambering?

The .577 Snider was a 450 gr or 480 gr bullet. 70 grs of BP. A standard to aim by.

An obvious one is .45/70. .45, 450 yes, 70 grs BP.

A Nitro for Black in a modern gun is better.

But I think a .500 or a .577 is better.

The original .577 Snider a maybe.

What would be a modern choice?

Obviously flanged.

Maybe a shortened .500 NE case or a shortened .577 NE case?

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Re: A modern howdah cartridge [Re: NitroX]
#365190 - 04/05/22 01:51 AM

.460 S&W or .500 S&W Magnums with heavier bullets. are good possibilities, but might present high pressure problems.
If small and mighty are too high pressured, that leaves larger diameter bullets and cases as the 'viable' alternative.

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Re: A modern howdah cartridge [Re: DarylS]
#379750 - 30/09/23 03:10 PM

Bttt

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Re: A modern howdah cartridge [Re: DarylS]
#379751 - 30/09/23 03:15 PM

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.460 S&W or .500 S&W Magnums with heavier bullets. are good possibilities, but might present high pressure problems.
If small and mighty are too high pressured, that leaves larger diameter bullets and cases as the 'viable' alternative.

No idea what those cartridges are. Ballistics needed. Are they rimmed?

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Re: A modern howdah cartridge [Re: NitroX]
#379764 - 30/09/23 10:42 PM

.577, 12 or 20 bore would work for me. I've fired a homemade 12 bore single shot howdah with either a slug or buckshot ( it was 40 years ago) one handed and it wasn't too bad, other than the side lever jamming into the web of my hand.

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Re: A modern howdah cartridge [Re: degoins]
#379765 - 30/09/23 10:43 PM

I should have put howdah in quotes.

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Re: A modern howdah cartridge [Re: NitroX]
#379767 - 01/10/23 03:07 AM

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.460 S&W or .500 S&W Magnums with heavier bullets. are good possibilities, but might present high pressure problems.
If small and mighty are too high pressured, that leaves larger diameter bullets and cases as the 'viable' alternative.

No idea what those cartridges are. Ballistics needed. Are they rimmed?

Both rimmed. The .460, from a 10 3/4" bl will run 400gr. bullets up to about 1,700fps.
The 500, from a 10" bl. will push 500gr. up to 1,600fps. However, both are high pressure revolver ctgs.

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Re: A modern howdah cartridge [Re: DarylS]
#379770 - 01/10/23 10:33 AM

John:

I've kicked this around a lot. Why? Who knows.

Make mine a smoothbore with choke tubes...rifled also.

It already exists and there are 2 options.

Take your pick:

.550 bore:

https://www.brennekeusa.com/hunting-ammunition/brenneke-28tm/

.615 bore:

https://www.brennekeusa.com/hunting-ammunition/magnumtm/

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Re: A modern howdah cartridge [Re: 9.3x57]
#379777 - 01/10/23 03:26 PM

the 28 ga brennecke is to light with only 273 grains. I would go for the 20 ga mag with 473 grains, this is the force.
years ago I see a pair of howdah pistols, one in 577 snider and the other 20ga smooth with roundballs.
sawed off double guns are a legal problem in the US if I understand it correctly. you have to pay 200 bucks to the ATF for register the gun to make it legal?
here it would cost similar including a visit to the proof house to proof it again ( any real change one the barrels need a new proof) but then it would be a "pistol" and need one of the common two pistol licences you get.

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Re: A modern howdah cartridge [Re: lancaster]
#379785 - 02/10/23 10:21 AM

I suspect that 500 S&W, 460 S&W and 454 Casull may cause pressure issues in a 'howdah' style action. However 480 Ruger may be suitable. Not as hot as 475 Linebaugh but quite adequate.

Another cartridge which shouldn't be ignored is .45 Colt loaded to the Ruger/Freedom Arms level. Not being greater than 45 cal, licensing would be easier for those of us in the Peoples Republic of Oz.

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Re: A modern howdah cartridge [Re: Hunter4752001]
#379786 - 02/10/23 10:30 AM

Sawed off SxS's are also a problem here, in Canada - prohibited if barrel is modified shorter than 18". There is also a minimum length of 26", so could have an 18" bl. and 8" butt stock.
With the length, and a forend, obviously not meant to be fired with one hand, thus, not a handgun.
At the same time, the Lib/Tard/Socialist Government has placed a moratorium on the transfer and purchase (buy or sell, borrow/lend) of handguns.
26" makes for a long, 2-handed firearm.

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Re: A modern howdah cartridge [Re: lancaster]
#379789 - 02/10/23 10:52 AM

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the 28 ga brennecke is to light with only 273 grains. I would go for the 20 ga mag with 473 grains, this is the force.
years ago I see a pair of howdah pistols, one in 577 snider and the other 20ga smooth with roundballs.
sawed off double guns are a legal problem in the US if I understand it correctly. you have to pay 200 bucks to the ATF for register the gun to make it legal?
here it would cost similar including a visit to the proof house to proof it again ( any real change one the barrels need a new proof) but then it would be a "pistol" and need one of the common two pistol licences you get.

It's too light for sure but a 28 is close to the .577 & I wonder about a black powder load with a heavy "badminton birdie" slug pushing 350 grains or a bit more for the smooth bore.

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