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9.3x57
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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #357085 - 27/09/21 02:35 AM

Thanks for that, lancaster. Very interesting stuff.

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Re: french connection [Re: 9.3x57]
      #357086 - 27/09/21 02:46 AM

Thank you very much Lancaster for this additional information; only one point to clarify: .308 is now "almost free" to own in France (admin request only for presenting either valid hunting or shooting license) when purchasing.
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Re: french connection [Re: Louis]
      #357088 - 27/09/21 03:50 AM

NitroX- we don't see the French rifles here in Western Canada either. I don't know abut back East, however in my first 20 years there, I saw none.

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Re: french connection [Re: Daryl_S]
      #357093 - 27/09/21 04:06 AM

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NitroX- we don't see the French rifles here in Western Canada either. I don't know abut back East, however in my first 20 years there, I saw none.




None here either and I have never seen a French MAS sporter in the flesh in my life. Have seen the military setups Back East. I fiddled around with one once and found it to be a very interesting rifle, tho the military buttstock was so short it felt like it was cut for a Munchkin.

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Re: french connection [Re: 9.3x57]
      #357094 - 27/09/21 04:36 AM

still have the sights and the muzzle brake for an 8 x60S hunting rifle, will work for an .30 caliber barrel too. if you find a butchered sporter that can be change into something good...

first time I stumble about was the 10,75x68 rifle of a vietnam vet that was bought in vietnam from a french farmer were it worked as a tiger gun than. this rifle was allmost unknown in the shooting world before until I start to made this thread.
so, yes, I discover this.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #357131 - 30/09/21 12:17 AM

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I think having seen only one original 7x54 lapua rifle over the years for sale in finland.


https://www.metsoase.fi/kivaarit/valmet-mod98-cal7x54-kaytetty-kivaari/p/123450007/

https://www.asetalo.fi/aseet/kaytetyt-aseet/kivaarit/arisaka-7x54-kiv-mets-tuk-illa-kayt-hyva/2808/

https://www.nettiaseet.fi/luvanvaraiset-aseet/myydaan/kivaarit/muut/112252

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Re: french connection [Re: Igorrock]
      #357140 - 30/09/21 05:18 AM

thank you for the links kari












the arisaka looks a little bit drug inspired but the mauser is a nice rifle and for 90 euro a stealing also

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #357150 - 30/09/21 11:21 AM

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the arisaka looks a little bit drug inspired





As if one white-line spacer isn't already one too many!

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Re: french connection [Re: Marrakai]
      #357151 - 30/09/21 11:37 AM

I always find Finnish "Bubbas" interesting as they are often so much like our own.

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Re: french connection [Re: 9.3x57]
      #357154 - 30/09/21 02:22 PM

in the old west this were two too many https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XkHsinz7oU




no doubt, a man with two white spacer on the gun is the local hunting chief, with 3 white spacer your are the county hunting chief.
3 white spacer make you the state hunting chief and with 4 your are the top of the union.
this is very similar in japan with different colours but they have one rank more called the "mikado"



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Re: french connection [Re: 9.3x57]
      #358380 - 21/11/21 07:29 AM

first mas sporter with a scope on claw mount
7x54 , SN 796
https://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-MAS-FOURNIER-Calibre-7x54-item-8295809.html











7x54, SN not readable
https://www.naturabuy.fr/CARABINE-MAS-FOURNIER-7X54-AVEC-MUNITIONS-item-8456073.html









7x54, SN JF 295
https://www.naturabuy.fr/carabine-chasse-mas-fournier-calibre-7x54-item-8524283.html











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Re: french connection [Re: 9.3x57]
      #359013 - 10/12/21 05:39 AM

a 284 Win, SN 661
https://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-Manufr...em-8338044.html












you see the original "7x57" was milling out of the receiver when the caliber became illegal
"284" was stamp into this


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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #359023 - 10/12/21 08:37 AM

Lancaster they must be very strong rifles being able to be rebarrelled into many different calibres!
The action & magazine holding section is one huge block of metal - they must have been expensive to mill out & very time consuming to do!


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Re: french connection [Re: 93x64mm]
      #359041 - 10/12/21 04:03 PM

the action is stronmg enough but not more than a mauser. 284 win was the next cartridge where a reamer drill out the 7x57 chamber.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #359044 - 10/12/21 06:30 PM

The 7x57 is about 1/10" longer than the .284, so there will be a bit of a jump. For a hunting rifle, not game changing.

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Re: french connection [Re: Daryl_S]
      #359145 - 13/12/21 05:05 PM

This thread always has me on the lookout for MAS sporters, they are thin on the ground here. I have never seen a MAS in person

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Re: french connection [Re: Conor_90]
      #359164 - 14/12/21 07:47 AM

they are allways rare outside of france and maybe sometimes the old colonies.
this was a cheap early post war hunting rifle made for a special niche. because of the age they have coming for sale more and more because many of the old hunters who bought them in the 1950s wandering now into the eternal hunting grounds. if you dont made export from france it will be a problem.
if you are a do-it-yourselfer and find a butchered rifle I still have the rear and front sigth with muzzle break that will give your build the specific look.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #359207 - 15/12/21 06:39 AM

I reckon I saw one in a gun shop last week. I forget to ask about it

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Re: french connection [Re: NitroX]
      #359217 - 15/12/21 07:22 AM

why do you visit gunshops? don't know you have an interest in such things they having there.
bloody old guns and such ammo that makes bang with a lot of noise.

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #359223 - 15/12/21 08:52 AM

I'm a terrible person. Feeling really bad ass. Acquired my first hand gun.

Funny for guys with dozens of handguns. When you are denied something, tobacco, booze, kids rebel and try them. So I guess the same feeling for evil handguns.

Mine is for target shooting of course. An almost pristine STI Trojan 1911 style handgun in .38 Super. With five magazines.

Was told lots of handguns are on the market. Interstate. Poor sods needing cash because of plandemic lockdowns, mandate sackings etc.

Good time to acquire used handguns. Bring them to new good homes. No idea why mine was sold. Impossible to get handgun powder in Australia for maybe a year? Did get a few hundred loaded cartridges, 500 projectiles and primers for when powder is again available. Still need dies and a handgun progressive reloading press.

I can also shoot at the indoor range at that gun shop. Dope up on powder fumes.

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Re: french connection [Re: NitroX]
      #359244 - 15/12/21 07:36 PM

where should it end some day? now you buy a one of the dangerous automatic pistols than start drinking? do you have daily access to alcohol? is it possible for you to take a bottle and go away whenever you will day and night?
where will this ends? under a bridge drinking cheap wine out of a tetra brick?

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Re: french connection [Re: lancaster]
      #359245 - 15/12/21 07:50 PM

Went to a police station today wearing a mask incognito. Laughed at the woman behind the counter " do you use the photo id?"

Next I will go masked up to a bank. Make a cash withdrawal.

One bottle of wine? No one dozen box, get real.

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Re: french connection [Re: NitroX]
      #359374 - 18/12/21 07:46 AM

Congratulations John!

Don't you think you should post some pictures?

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Re: french connection [Re: CptCurl]
      #359376 - 18/12/21 08:44 AM

John:
I'm sure you already know this, but being a rifle shooter your whole life let me remind you that there are three crucial things you need to concentrate on to shoot a target handgun well:

1. Front Sight
2. Front Sight
3. Front Sight!

The rear sight is only there to give you a light-gap either side of the front sight.

If you are fitting optics or holographic sights just ignore the above!

I well remember not being able to hit sh!t with the first handgun I was required to use a lifetime ago, a Ruger .357 Security Six, until someone explained the sighting difference to me. I was trying to sight it like a rifle: hopeless! No longer remember who gave me that sage advice, but I am forever grateful.

French connection? None. Thread well-and-truly hijacked now!

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