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Conor_90
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28 Gauge Combo Guns
      #358424 - 22/11/21 10:18 AM

Curious if anyone knows of a combo gun in an intermediate caliber with a 28 gauge barrel?

I’ve seen offerings by FAIR and Merkel with 20 gauge barrels and they look very trim; is it possible to go even trimmer?

Edited by Conor_90 (23/11/21 06:16 PM)


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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Conor_90]
      #358425 - 22/11/21 10:29 AM

Haven't heard of one, but sounds interesting.

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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Daryl_S]
      #358426 - 22/11/21 11:07 AM

I do have a FAIR SxS 28 gauge I used this fall on upland..for the money, nice little gun..was not aware they made a combo...

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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Ripp]
      #358428 - 22/11/21 01:50 PM

Now THAT looks like a nice, sporty upland gun.

https://www.simmonssportinggoods.com/fair-iside-sxs-28ga-28-barrel-shotgun/

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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Daryl_S]
      #358429 - 22/11/21 05:59 PM

Only problem, one of its triggers has fallen off...!

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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Marrakai]
      #358432 - 22/11/21 07:08 PM

I don't see the point in a 28 gauge combination. Maybe others don't either? So a reason they don't exist?

I think some of the multi barreled things four or five barrels have a sub 12 gauge barrel.

Lots of combinations have 16 gauge barrels.

Probably the sub 12 g use is to keep the combination lighter and trimmer in cross section with the extra barrel(s).

Never seen a 28 gauge shotgun myself.

Why not go for a .410 shotgun combination?

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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: NitroX]
      #358439 - 23/11/21 12:23 AM

John are you saying you have never seen a 28 bore shotgun.

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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Ahmed577]
      #358441 - 23/11/21 12:56 AM

I have several 28 gauge shotguns. A little drilling with 28 gauge tubes on top with 6.5x57R for a rifle on the bottom would be a trim and very handy gun. I have found the 28 gauge to be a very good shotgun choice for most of my wing shooting. I have used it on pheasant, quail and dove. I even took one to Africa and shot a spur wing goose with it (It did take 2 shots on the goose).
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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: bwanabobftw]
      #358443 - 23/11/21 01:38 AM

Sorry, but you are bit late, by about 90 years. Here is a page from a 1930 catalog, showing small bore over – under combinations. These were available then in 24, 28 and 32 = .410 gauge in the shot barrel and 5.6x35R Vierling = .22 Winchester cf, 6.5x52R = .25-35 and some forgotten other German smallbores. Sorry, but I have never seen such a thing during the last 55 years. Today, the Ferlach gunmakers will be happy to build such a gun on order. But if you have to ask for the price, you can't afford it anyhow.



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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: kuduae]
      #358444 - 23/11/21 03:10 AM

That's quite interesting, kuduae.

My "late" hunting buddy Brad had a Ruger OU in 28 bore. I shot a bit of trap with it and it really hammered the birds.
Another friend uses a Turkish OU in 28 bore for his grouse gun.
I really don't see much "use" for a combo though, imho, unless it was with perhaps a 6.5 of some sort usable for moose.

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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: NitroX]
      #358445 - 23/11/21 03:12 AM

Quote:

I don't see the point in a 28 gauge combination. Maybe others don't either? So a reason they don't exist?

I think some of the multi barreled things four or five barrels have a sub 12 gauge barrel.

Lots of combinations have 16 gauge barrels.

Probably the sub 12 g use is to keep the combination lighter and trimmer in cross section with the extra barrel(s).

Never seen a 28 gauge shotgun myself.

Why not go for a .410 shotgun combination?




I have been reading this post with great interest as I really enjoy shotguns'. Have several SxS's ... with my favorite being a FOX in 16 ...

When I read the comment of the .410 I remembered reading the 28 patterned better per what I had experienced and what I had read.. found this article which seems to back that up.. Its a great guage for early season birds.. would not use it now on pheasants as they are all feathered up and a bit wild this time of year..

5 Reasons To Love The 28 Gauge..

This little gun packs a big punch on upland birds and even waterfowl—and it’s a dream to shoot

BY MICHAEL DICKERSON | PUBLISHED FEB 14, 2020

https://www.outdoorlife.com/story/hunting/reasons-to-love-the-28-gauge/


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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Ripp]
      #358450 - 23/11/21 04:53 AM

Good article, Ripp.

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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Daryl_S]
      #358456 - 23/11/21 06:42 AM

Quote:

Now THAT looks like a nice, sporty upland gun.

https://www.simmonssportinggoods.com/fair-iside-sxs-28ga-28-barrel-shotgun/




It actually feels nice in the hand... light and lively..especially for the price..

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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Ripp]
      #358465 - 23/11/21 08:21 AM

28 gauge receiver size would be the advantage and possibly limiting factor in terms of the rifle caliber

I can’t see myself ever shooting a duck or goose while still hunting, or using buckshot or slugs when a rifle is available for the style of hunting we do here.

The shotgun barrel would see more use as a swatter of grouse in trees and on overgrown roads with the occasional
shot at a snowshoe hare. For these purposes the 28 or 20 gauge is optimal. 410 pales in comparison to 28 for similarly sized guns


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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Conor_90]
      #358467 - 23/11/21 08:37 AM

Agree, Conor. The 28 bore is MUCH superior to the .410 for grouse, bunnies or anything, actually.

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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Daryl_S]
      #358480 - 23/11/21 01:51 PM

Some nice huglu 28 gauge coach guns in English box lock department store gun style at Prophet River

A good argument for 20 gauge is ammo availability but I can’t see the shotgun barrel getting enough use for that to be a real concern


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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Conor_90]
      #358482 - 23/11/21 04:49 PM

Nothing to add to the combo-gun discussion, but after a lifetime of shooting I recently acquired my first-ever 28-bore shotgun.
Haven't even warmed its barrel yet.

Its one of those gorgeous little top-lever hammer rook rifles that Thomas made for H&H before the turn of the previous century, this one in .425 Rook but bored out to 28ga long ago and reproved in the UK (I presume: 28 in a diamond on the barrel flat).

Oddly, retailed by W.E. Ekins of Adelaide and the locks so-marked. Will toss-up a few photos when I get time.

However, I digress... Apologies!

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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Marrakai]
      #358484 - 23/11/21 05:56 PM

I love a good digression, I make a habit of it in fact. Sounds like a very interesting gun

Here’s one for you

Australia seems to have a much better selection of British firearms, intended for the colonies and otherwise, than we do here in Canada. Collectors importing? More British expats? The extra ~ 35 years between independence and its overlap with the creation of the guns we all like so much? Proximity to the states may have been a big factor. The Lee Enfield is a constant, but Canadian wildcatters took the path of juicing it up for use in P14s

Maybe I just get a false impression by viewing nitroexpress??


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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: NitroX]
      #358485 - 23/11/21 06:06 PM

Quote:

I don't see the point in a 28 gauge combination. Maybe others don't either? So a reason they don't exist?

I think some of the multi barreled things four or five barrels have a sub 12 gauge barrel.

Lots of combinations have 16 gauge barrels.

Probably the sub 12 g use is to keep the combination lighter and trimmer in cross section with the extra barrel(s).

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I think that is the reasoning of European hunters, too.
The shotgun barrel should be sufficient for a fox at least, maybe even roe deer.
And if a slug is used, if should be sufficient for wild boar.

That leaves:
12 gauge: by many hunters considered a bit bulky for a combo gun.
16 gauge: often used in the past, but for whatever reasons quite obsolete now
20/76: often seen in modern combination guns

And looking at double barrel shotguns, you will rarely see any smaller gauge in Europe.
Some enthusiasts may use them, but the majority of hunters see them as toys.
Plus I do not know of any clay competition for small gauge shotguns. 12 gauge rules.


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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: fuhrmann]
      #358499 - 24/11/21 05:06 AM

I have an stack barreled Zoli in 12x.222 that I have to fire at least once, some day. I haven't shot it yet. LOL Not even sure why I bought it. Good looking gun, though and points well.

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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Daryl_S]
      #358616 - 27/11/21 09:59 PM

28s of any persuasion are rare and in combinations, probably like hens teeth. And I am not sure why. 16 Bore combinations and drillings are beautifully balanced. A 16 bore shotgun, is again a thing of beauty. A 16 bore has the almost perfect balance of killing power but in svelte package. It is much less bulky than a 12. And then you drop to the 28 which makes a wonderful light gun, but still with enough shot to give a usable pattern, and for most applications is better than the 410. I do use a 410 in the field, but it allows little room fir error.

But the 20bore, I have never been sure of. In a traditional Side by side using its original load it makes an OK gun, but if you lightweight the 28 is better. But most 20’s are over and unders and every body shoots a 28 or 30 or 32gram load - 1oz, 1 1/16 or 1 1/8oz. Those 12 or 16 bore loads, and with a 20 you are increasing pressures which makes them snappy to shoot.

I can understand why many combinations now are in 12 or 20, but they are a real compromise. 16 is the best all round balance. And a lot of the modern combinations are not really suitable for winged game. Yes the have a shot barrel, but they handle like a heavy barreled rifle. Take a careful bead at a stationary target and let fly with shot. You are not going to use it a jinking woodcock or a duck springing from a pond.

I am lucky in that i have a wonderful Hambrusch built 16 / 7x65r combination. I have taken deer at over 200 yards, fast running wild boar, and yet it handles like a well balanced shotgun and have shot phaesant, woodcock and duck. It’s balance does make the rifle a little light and it does require concentration when using the rifle.

Now the ideal compliment would be a 28 with a 22 Hornet, 222 rimmed in a 5lb all up weight little beauty.


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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: Ahmed577]
      #358626 - 27/11/21 11:06 PM

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John are you saying you have never seen a 28 bore shotgun.




No never seen a 28g, a 24 g.

Everyone shoots 12 gauge here. Some kids learn with a 410. Occasionally a 20 gauge. That's about it.

I'd love a nice 20g.

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Re: 28 Gauge Combo Guns [Re: NitroX]
      #358627 - 27/11/21 11:07 PM

Seen 16gs years ago for a while common in gunships. Then the supply dried up.

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