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It looks like prices for original Oberndorf Mauser sporting rifles are holding up very well. I followed the Poulins auction online for awhile today hoping to pick up a very nice Type K in 8 x 51 caliber. It would have been a great companion piece for my Type M in the same caliber, or I might have sold the M and kept the K.
The hammer price for the rifle was USD 8,500 or very close to 10K with commission and sales tax, so I didn't buy it, and if I had bid it might have gone even higher. But - at least we know the values are holding up, especially for the Kurz action pieces, the Africa Model, and the magnum action rifles. Actually they're probably holding up well across the board. They might even keep pace with current inflation. This is also true of prewar Rigbys and Jefferys but seems to be a little less true with custom rifles built on original Oberndorf actions, such as Griffin & Howe and Hoffman Arms.
It seems that elegant design, strong actions, and great utility in original prewar factory made rifles is still a very desirable combination.
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It seems that elegant design, strong actions, and great utility in original prewar factory made rifles is still a very desirable combination
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my friend is the appraiser for Poulin ,2 years ago I sold him the nicest type K half stock tauscher import sporter in 8x51 that I or he has ever seen ,he paid a good price from me and tho this rifle is an original early example I suspect his would bring close to that which I guess is real good these days ...Paul
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mckinney
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Hi Paul
I’m sure it would bring that much or more. The only way to get these rifles is to pay up or happen on one by chance.
I missed a very nice Type K in 250 Savage a few years ago at Gavin Gardiner. There were two equally desirable Rigbys in the same sale so I spread my absentee bids over all three and lost them all even though I was at more than twice the high estimate.
The best plan is probably to pass on lesser examples and splash out as required on the good stuff. I don’t follow this in practice though!
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The upcoming Morphy auction has this Mauser "Custom" on the block.
Not a custom at all, but a genuine TypeM Kurz action with an uncut rear square bridge!!
How they misrepresented this one, I'll never know...
https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/_C__...-LOT518412.aspx
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Good looking rifle. Estimated price range looks appropriate for an 8x51. Suspect somewhere in the middle to low middle should be the hammer price, but ya never know.
8x51 - strictly a handloading proposition here, making the cases, special dies - maybe. Might be able to use a shortened 8x57 die. Could be .318 groove dia. I suppose.
This was off a search:
Edit: As Springfield Armory and some American makers were quick to steal ideas from the Germans I wouldn't be surprised if the 308 was simply a continuation of that practice as the 8 X 51 preceded the 308 by about 20 years. I believe the 8 X 51 could be made by quite simply necking up the 308 to 338, set a false shoulder to set the headspace and neck to 8mm, then fireform. The 8 X 51 SHOULD be .323 but as that's a sporting rifle the bore needs to be slugged to make certain. Even though .323 was adopted by the German military in 1905, 8mm sporting rifles in .318 were made right up to the start of WWII.
Of course, this nekcing maneuver on a .308 depends on the shoulder dia. of the 8x51.
If it is tapered like the 7 and 8mm Mausers, then perhaps one of those dies could be used to reduce the shoulder sufficiently.
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Huvius
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It's at $1700 already.
I think it's a $2500 rifle maybe more if it cleans up well.
The chambering will keep it from going higher and one would hate to tear it apart to build a custom.
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iirc, 308 win brass necking up is fine for the 8x51
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mckinney
I have a beautiful 1932 mdl k 250-3000 SSB like you describe & have been offered over $9k & I still own it! Nice examples just don't come available often & if they do, they are sold fast.
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mckinney
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M4220
You might remember that George Caswell had a nice .250-3000 and a .404 Jeffery Type A at the same time back around 2017. He told me that he had sold the .250 for 14k. I don’t know about the .404 but it didn’t last long.
George told me another story recently about acting as an intermediary on a prewar .416 Rigby that went for 50k sight unseen. It was apparently nearly new.
There are some serious Mauser collectors out there and they know the good stuff!
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mckinney
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I’ve looked for 8 x 51 ammo for years and have only ever found single rounds listed by cartridge collectors.
I ordered 8x51 brass from Horneber (the order with the 5 1/2 year wait), but they wouldn’t make it. They did however make up 6.5x54 Kurz Mauser and 6.5 Portuguese for me as well as 8x60. I picked it up from my importer a few weeks ago. Looks to be very nice brass.
Would love some properly head stamped 8x51 brass. The other one I would love is .22 Vierling for ZiDi and Greifelt rifles. Any leads on either of these would be much appreciated.
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Back to the .250-3000 Mauser Type A (or K) for a moment:
What .250 Savage rifle could ever feel or look better? Maybe a Hoffman or Griffin custom from the 1930's on an original Mauser K action, or possibly a piece from Schmidt & Haberman or Hartmann & Weiss built on an original K action. Other than that, I know of nothing, and the original Mauser would stand tall - maybe tallest - even in that company.
Factory rifles? Nothing even close that I'm aware of in the 90 odd years since.
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the 416 Rigby story is correct
The new owner told me about it last week .He loves it . He is a serious Mauser collector
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the 416 Rigby story is correct
The new owner told me about it last week .He loves it . He is a serious Mauser collector
I'll bet I know where to find that rifle!
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mckinney
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the 416 Rigby story is correct
The new owner told me about it last week .He loves it . He is a serious Mauser collector
I'll bet I know where to find that rifle!
Curl
Any chance of seeing photos of the rifle? I wonder if this is the same rifle Mike Schwandt had a few years ago?
It’s always a pleasure to see one of the handful of mint examples that remain. No more iconic bolt rifle in existence in my opinion.
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So, what is a current price range for a double square bridge undrilled "African" model in 10.75x68 in 117XXX serial range? 98% plus original condition.
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Prices of Oberndorf Mausers to U.S. buyers of 1939 (Stoeger catalog):
Stoeger's 'off the shelf' Mauser offerings ranged from $110 for a Model A in 7X57, 8X60, or 9X57 to $250 for a Type A 'Model 628' in .404 Jeffrey, 'Model 628A' in .280 Ross, or '628B' in .318 Westley Richards. A Zeiss or Hensoldt 4X scope could be fitted for an additional $100.
Per usinflationcalculator, that $110 would equate to $2,344.63 today and the $250 Type A would be $5,328.71 in 2022 USD. Add scope to the Type A and you're at $7,460.19
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The new 'plastic' rifles have no soul - they might shoot great, but that's all they do for me.
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mckinney
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So, what is a current price range for a double square bridge undrilled "African" model in 10.75x68 in 117XXX serial range? 98% plus original condition.
I'd guess around $9,000 in the US, perhaps more if the wood is particularly nice.
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