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38 Super handgun and ammo?
      #356783 - 16/09/21 01:10 AM

38 Super handgun and ammo?

Looking at acquiring a 38 Super STI Trogan in 38 Super.

Big problem. Told it is close to impossible to acquire ammunition, dies brass and powder.

Can anyone help?

Any suggestions?

What loads are used in 38 Super? Especially what powder?

Sources of brass?

Sources of loaded ammunition?

What press is recommended for reloading handgun ammo?

Lastly what do you think of the handgun and/or cartridges the 38 Super?

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: NitroX]
      #356785 - 16/09/21 02:48 AM

https://www.midwayusa.com/38-super/br?cid=21664

https://ammoseek.com/ammo/38-super

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: Ripp]
      #356786 - 16/09/21 05:43 AM

Hi John,
Could be tough getting things for .38 Super in Oz?

Seemingly plenty of .38 Super load data at Load Data dot com. Not sure what pistol powder you have available.

Dies…..shipping from States is possible but maybe expensive. ebay worth a look.

Brass? Due to export restrictions any brass from USA is probably a no go….

Bullets? Any lighter .38/.357 jacketed if it will feed or CBE could make you a gas check mould.

Press? Anything like an RCBS Rockchucker up to progressive type….skys the limit.

Wish I could be of more help.
The .38 Super is a nice cartridge.

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: Ripp]
      #356787 - 16/09/21 05:45 AM

imho its not worth the hassle!
buy a 9 mm parabellum pistol and you have everything you need. this is the world wide standard and ammo will be available under any circumstances.
think in a glock you can load the 9 mm Para to a similar pressure and the pistol will stand it.

maybe not legal but the glock will take it.

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: lancaster]
      #356791 - 16/09/21 07:33 AM

When I ran out of .38Super brass, I trimmed and turned an extractor groove (after turning the rims down) on my plentiful supply of .38SPL brass.
This worked just fine until I re-barrled the 1911 to .45 ACP - a welcome change indeed.

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: DarylS]
      #356795 - 16/09/21 07:49 AM

G'Day Fella's,

NitroX, that is a very good choice.
Whilst obtaining loaded factory ammo, is next to impossible in Oz, obtaining the reloading "Bits & Pieces", shouldn't be an issue.

Contact:
Mr mario-mori@bigpond.com.au
www.saffiretrading.com.au
Ph:03-95960101

Mario should be able to supply you, both Dillon, Cabide reloading dies, and cases (probably Starline).
Remember, you will need a shell holder as well (if you are going to reload on a single stage press).

While your at it, if you don't already have a progressive reloading press, ask Mario for a price on one of these.

Hope that helps

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: Homer]
      #356799 - 16/09/21 08:42 AM

I think the 38 Super is a great round. I had one in the late 60s and 70s, ol=nly trading it for another "must have" that was later traded for something else.

There are a number of articles that recommend head spacing the 38S on the mouth and that greatly increases accuracy.

Now Lancaster is right in that 9mm ammo is less expensive and available world wide and Glocks (if legal) are an inexpensive shooting iron, no shooting plastic. New 9mm bullets make it a formable round.

However, for me, a 1911 in 38S is an iconic pistol & cartridge. The FBI selected the 38S in the early 1930s.

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: 85lc]
      #356804 - 16/09/21 01:18 PM

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I think the 38 Super is a great round.

There are a number of articles that recommend head spacing the 38S on the mouth and that greatly increases accuracy.

However, for me, a 1911 in 38S is an iconic pistol & cartridge. The FBI selected the 38S in the early 1930s.



+1 to all of this.

I neglected to mention, I still have a .38 Super (Kimber, 1911 Target II).

iirc, I'm getting just over 1300 fps, with Hornady, 124grn HAP jacketed bullets.
This is about 100fps under maximum, and it originally shot 10 shots into 2 1/2" (65mm), at 50 meters (from a Ransom rest), from this stock standard Kimber, 1911.
That in anybody's money, is pretty impressive!

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: Homer]
      #356806 - 16/09/21 03:02 PM

Non Australians may not be aware that anything over 9 mm/38 is heavily restricted in Australia. For IPSC the 38 Super is a major calibre/cartridge choice.

There is a handgun I like at a decent price in near new condition with 5 mags, but next to no ammo available. None in fact.


This isn't a place where dozens or hundreds of choices grace the shelves

$2000 is the price for the 1911 style STI Trojan with 5 mags?

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: NitroX]
      #356807 - 16/09/21 03:06 PM

Quote:

Non Australians may not be aware that anything over 9 mm/38 is heavily restricted in Australia. For IPSC the 38 Super is a major calibre/cartridge choice.

There is a handgun I like at a decent price in near new condition with 5 mags, but next to no ammo available. None in fact.


This isn't a place where dozens or hundreds of choices grace the shelves

$2000 is the price for the 1911 style STI Trojan with 5 mags?



Yes I would prefer a 9 ,mm ... But this is available. Used a Walther Q5 in 9 mm yesterday. What do you guys think of that handgun? $3000 new.

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: NitroX]
      #356832 - 17/09/21 04:46 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Non Australians may not be aware that anything over 9 mm/38 is heavily restricted in Australia. For IPSC the 38 Super is a major calibre/cartridge choice.

There is a handgun I like at a decent price in near new condition with 5 mags, but next to no ammo available. None in fact.


This isn't a place where dozens or hundreds of choices grace the shelves

$2000 is the price for the 1911 style STI Trojan with 5 mags?



Yes I would prefer a 9 ,mm ... But this is available. Used a Walther Q5 in 9 mm yesterday. What do you guys think of that handgun? $3000 new.



The "Match" model I assume??
I have not shot it ..owned a PPQ model for a while traded it for a H&K VP-9--it has a slighly lower bore axis which I preferred and it fit my hands better than the PPQ model

Man, $3000 is a lot of money --I looked on-line here -- $800 and up

https://www.gunbuyer.com/walther-ppq-q5-...2813335-gb.html


https://www.gunbroker.com/item/910638782


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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: Ripp]
      #356834 - 17/09/21 04:58 AM

because you can use 9 para bullets, die sets, powder and primer reloading is not terrible at all. brass can be made wit a lathe by using 38 special/ 357 mag but maybe also by cut down 222 and 223 remington, of course, you reaming out the case mouth. I had done this years ago for a Steyr M 12 pistol and made 7,63 mauser form 223 Rem. the 9 mm Steyr is a 9x23 also and reloading was done with a 9 mm Parabellum die set.

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: lancaster]
      #356836 - 17/09/21 08:07 AM

No need to make brass.
.38 Super +P brass from Starline pops up pretty regularly on the internet gun-sale sites.

Here's one available right now:
https://www.ozgunsales.com/listing/98561/starline_brass_38_super_100.html

I grabbed some not long ago to make 9mm Browning Long cases for a Husky m/1907. Very good brass by my experience so far, at a nice price. All good!

Coated projies from Hawkesbury River, and others, available all day long.

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: Marrakai]
      #356843 - 17/09/21 12:59 PM

I wouldn't worry there is plenty of shooters using 38 super, ask around the IPSC shooters, I have about 1000 rounds for my own guns and I had no trouble getting that.

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: iomskp]
      #356844 - 17/09/21 01:08 PM

I should of checked before I posted, I just called one of the local gun shops and they have heaps of 38 super brass on the shelf, but they did say they don't know how difficult restocking could be.

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: iomskp]
      #356847 - 17/09/21 05:27 PM

I will be checking some of these brass suggestions.

What projectiles does .38 Super use Any suggestions? I assume .38 calibre and not 9mm? any difference?

I am completely new to handgun reloading.

Powder? Powder may be a big problem. As if not available in local shops and if drying up generally, also not to have it sent from interstate myself. No one is making pistol powders in Australia I have bee told?

What powders?

What powder to use for a .38 Super and a 9 mm Parabellum. I will acquire some anyway.

What primers?

What press? I have several single stages presses for rifles. What are some choices for multi stage presses better suited to a handgun case?

Suggestions and information very much appreciated.

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: Ripp]
      #356848 - 17/09/21 05:36 PM

Quote:

Quote:



$2000 is the price for the 1911 style STI Trojan with 5 mags?



Yes I would prefer a 9 ,mm ... But this is available. Used a Walther Q5 in 9 mm yesterday. What do you guys think of that handgun? $3000 new.



The "Match" model I assume??
I have not shot it ..owned a PPQ model for a while traded it for a H&K VP-9--it has a slighly lower bore axis which I preferred and it fit my hands better than the PPQ model

Man, $3000 is a lot of money --I looked on-line here -- $800 and up




You are not wrong. I am amazed at prices for handguns, ordinary steel working bits, and nothing fancy. $3000, $4000, $5000, ridiculous prices.

I do like that Walther MQ or Q5 ? I will use it again, I don't think the same handgun is $800 in the USE and A$3000 in Australia? That difference would be extra-ordinary.

Will look, and also take more note next time I use it.

I must say I MUCH PREFER the Trigger of the 1911 STI Trojan crisp and one stage, to the two stage Walther trigger.

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: NitroX]
      #356849 - 17/09/21 05:45 PM

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Yes I would prefer a 9 ,mm ... But this is available. Used a Walther Q5 in 9 mm yesterday. What do you guys think of that handgun? $3000 new.



The "Match" model I assume??
I have not shot it ..owned a PPQ model for a while traded it for a H&K VP-9--it has a slighly lower bore axis which I preferred and it fit my hands better than the PPQ model

Man, $3000 is a lot of money --I looked on-line here -- $800 and up




You are not wrong. I am amazed at prices for handguns, ordinary steel working bits, and nothing fancy. $3000, $4000, $5000, ridiculous prices.

I do like that Walther MQ or Q5 ? I will use it again, I don't think the same handgun is $800 in the USE and A$3000 in Australia? That difference would be extra-ordinary.

Will look, and also take more note next time I use it.

I must say I MUCH PREFER the Trigger of the 1911 STI Trojan crisp and one stage, to the two stage Walther trigger.




Looks like it. So importing one from the USA would be cheaper, if say US$800 + Freight? + say US$800 other costs. Might end up close to A$3000 anyway.

Importers do not pay anything like $800 other costs per unit, as they do it in bulk. Individual suckers end up paying through the nose ...

Hey Art, come over next year for some hunting and bring one with you, to shoot some targets with me at an official range. I buy it from you. And go through local paper work.

PS Big assumptions on anyone travelling even next year, especially if poison un-jabbed ....

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: NitroX]
      #356852 - 17/09/21 06:38 PM

G'Day Fella's,

NitroX, I just sold the last of 5 x Walther, PPQ Match pistols I had, in 9x19mm.
They are a very nice pistol but expensive (this last one, sold for $1800.00).

FYI, two months ago, I purchased another Steyr-Mannlicher, L9 A1, in 9x19mm, from Magnum Sports in Sydney.
This particular one, had an extended and threaded barrel, that "I need" to use to develope, a 9mm suppressor for.

FYI. I see Magnum Sports current advert, in the SSAA magazine (page 21, Sept 2021), has them for $599.00 each!
This is probably the Best Buy in Australia, for a Quality 9mm semi-auto pistol!
At these prices, I can't understand why they are not more popular.
I purchased one about 3 or 4 years ago, and I have been using it constantly, to shoot IPSC matches with, and it really is a great pistol.
It fits my hand perfectly, and I shoot very well and it is easy to shoot well, which is why I like it.

FYI, I originally had one of these Steyr-Mannlicher pistols, prior to the 2002, "Handgun Buy Back".
Unfortunately, it was lost to the "Gubmint", because of it's barrel was to short, and the mags held too much ammo ...............

Hope that helps

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: NitroX]
      #356862 - 18/09/21 03:06 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:



Yes I would prefer a 9 ,mm ... But this is available. Used a Walther Q5 in 9 mm yesterday. What do you guys think of that handgun? $3000 new.



The "Match" model I assume??
I have not shot it ..owned a PPQ model for a while traded it for a H&K VP-9--it has a slighly lower bore axis which I preferred and it fit my hands better than the PPQ model

Man, $3000 is a lot of money --I looked on-line here -- $800 and up




You are not wrong. I am amazed at prices for handguns, ordinary steel working bits, and nothing fancy. $3000, $4000, $5000, ridiculous prices.

I do like that Walther MQ or Q5 ? I will use it again, I don't think the same handgun is $800 in the USE and A$3000 in Australia? That difference would be extra-ordinary.

Will look, and also take more note next time I use it.

I must say I MUCH PREFER the Trigger of the 1911 STI Trojan crisp and one stage, to the two stage Walther trigger.




Looks like it. So importing one from the USA would be cheaper, if say US$800 + Freight? + say US$800 other costs. Might end up close to A$3000 anyway.

Importers do not pay anything like $800 other costs per unit, as they do it in bulk. Individual suckers end up paying through the nose ...

Hey Art, come over next year for some hunting and bring one with you, to shoot some targets with me at an official range. I buy it from you. And go through local paper work.

PS Big assumptions on anyone travelling even next year, especially if poison un-jabbed ....



Hey John,

Would I be able to bring that into the country??
If so I have no problem doing that once this craziness gets over.. My wife and I have discussed traveling there for a while now..

Thx

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: Ripp]
      #356864 - 18/09/21 03:54 AM

Addie would enjoy it. Tracy and I both did, for the short time we were there. Poor timing (LOL).

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: Ripp]
      #356875 - 18/09/21 02:14 PM

Quote:


Hey John,

Would I be able to bring that into the country??
If so I have no problem doing that once this craziness gets over.. My wife and I have discussed traveling there for a while now..

Thx



Yes, I would need to enquire, probably get import permits re-arranged. t would probably get confiscated at the airport by customs.

OR if you were target shooting in Australia and the same as above, again enquiries before hand, to make sure you or I (!) don't end up in a gulag!!!

I don't know when covid gulag australia will terminate,

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: NitroX]
      #358049 - 11/11/21 11:42 PM

I've put a deposit on the .38 Super STI Trojan and put in a PTA permit to acquire. Waiting for the approval.

Five mags included. It is in near new condition. Needs a different foresight.

Have a few hundred rounds of ammo, similar for brass,vprojectkes, and lots of primers. Handgun powder is non existent to for sale,vin Australia,vfor who knows how we long. Better buy more loaded ammo.

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: NitroX]
      #358061 - 12/11/21 05:31 AM

Cool! - when I couldn't find any .38Super brass, I made it out of .38 SPL brass of which I had thousands of once fired brass.
Shortened, turn the rim down, chamfer, done.

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Re: 38 Super handgun and ammo? [Re: Ripp]
      #360653 - 18/01/22 08:45 PM

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Yes I would prefer a 9 ,mm ... But this is available. Used a Walther Q5 in 9 mm yesterday. What do you guys think of that handgun? $3000 new.



The "Match" model I assume??
I have not shot it ..owned a PPQ model for a while traded it for a H&K VP-9--it has a slighly lower bore axis which I preferred and it fit my hands better than the PPQ model

Man, $3000 is a lot of money --I looked on-line here -- $800 and up

https://www.gunbuyer.com/walther-ppq-q5-...2813335-gb.html


https://www.gunbroker.com/item/910638782





This model of the Walther Q5 is the steel frame model. 10 round magazine match steel frame model.

I assume this one:
https://waltherarms.com/q5-match-steel-frame-standard-10rd/

https://f8x7p3b6.ssl.hwcdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Walther-PPQ-Q5-SF-RS_2830001.png

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