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Waidmannsheil
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Group hunt in Africa
      #356589 - 05/09/21 07:19 PM

Gentlemen,
a couple of years ago one of the members (Rigbymauser I believe) made the suggestion that members from the Nitro Express forum go to Africa for a group get together and hunt but only using original pre-war rifles with open sights. Is that something that members are still interested in once this Covid shit has settled down. At the time there were an number of people interested.

Matt.

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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #356597 - 05/09/21 10:24 PM

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Gentlemen,
a couple of years ago one of the members (Rigbymauser I believe) made the suggestion that members from the Nitro Express forum go to Africa for a group get together and hunt but only using original pre-war rifles with open sights. Is that something that members are still interested in once this Covid shit has settled down. At the time there were an number of people interested.

Matt.




I would be interested. Really doubt 2022 will happen. And definitely would not PLAN for anything much FROM AUSTRALIA in 2022.

In Australia I really doubt non-covid vaxxed people will have much freedoms in the next few years. Definitely international travel and maybe even accross state borders.

I think many other countries are already far more open than convict orientated Australia.

But ignoring all of that.

I would be interested subject to my finances and the rest of the world BS.

I am keen to one day spend some time bird shooting in Africa. I NEVER put time aside for that, and ALWAYS have higher priorities in hunting other game species right till the last minute.

I wouldn't mind rehunting some sundry species such as impala, springbok, kudu, zebra, blue wildebeest etc. Depending on what exhorbitant trophy fees might be asked nowadays. I still think in 1990 and early 2000's trophy fees and daily rates.

If I was after specific species. it would include BUSHPIG, NYALA, SABLE, TESSEBE, BLACK WILDEBEEST, and some of the smaller antelope, such as Klipsringer, different duikers, etc. Forgotten the species names! Some of these have better lower trophy fees.

Of course I am made keen to hunt cape buffalo again, elephant, plus fantasy lion and leopard. In my dreams at the moment.

For me it would depend if shooting the usual run of the mil stuff, how much money I was blowing on that, which could not be put aside for the specialist and BG hunts in the future.

I would be interested in seeing who is interested and in what? Good luck, hope it works out.

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Not to drive this thread off course, but I would be keen to see if there is any interest in a NT/Top End Australia group hunt, for water buffalo and razorback pigs, and cull species such as donkeys, horses perhaps even camels. Barramundi and other fishing as well.

Assuming evil foreign devils are ever allowed into cotton wool Australia again ...

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Edited by NitroX (05/09/21 10:53 PM)


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Huvius
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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #356598 - 05/09/21 10:53 PM

As it happens, I was discussing this very thing with another NE member a couple days ago.
Thinking 2023 for an Africa trip.
I’m definitely interested!

I’d be interested in the NT trip as well.
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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: Huvius]
      #356599 - 05/09/21 11:32 PM

Sure of course, as long as everyone was shooting some form of a Martini...

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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: DoubleD]
      #356605 - 06/09/21 03:37 AM

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Sure of course, as long as everyone was shooting some form of a Martini...




Would drinking a martini and shooting another vintage gun suffice

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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: 85lc]
      #356607 - 06/09/21 04:04 AM

These suggestions are always very interesting and would also appeal to me.

In the last 10 years there have been such offers on many forums, be it with old bolt action rifles or with old double rifles, once even only for hunters with an double rifle caliber 600 Nitro Express.

The events never took place despite the fact that they showed a lot of interest, but in the end, however, nobody really agreed.


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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: grandveneur]
      #356618 - 06/09/21 03:27 PM

True.

My experience with the first and only NE group hunt was 30 guys being interested, then 25 then 15,

I was worried, too many!

My local mate said, "John, it will be you and me".

Then it ended up one other person, from the forums, who hardly posted and I did not know at all, was going to somehow find us there ...

So it was Orion and myself, driving over.

IT was GOOD it was only us. As the place had been shot out in the weeks before by a chopper. The owners often don't tell you stuff like that when taking your money ... Orion and I had a successful enough hunt, mainly at dawn and dusk. We weren't into spotlighting, which some Aussies immediately think of when "hunting pigs".

So my experience, is don't put any or too many "restrictions", like "everyone must use a martini, or a double rilfe or ... that is urged but not rquired. I don't know why some groups have to set such restrictions.

Secondly the main restrictions is PAY THE DEPOSIT. And a deposit substantial enough to cut out the tyre kickers.

The DEPOSIT works out quickly who is serious and who is not.

I remember a deer hunting club "group hunt" after an offer by an outfitter. For a 2x1 hunt at half price. Three people were interested. We were told to bring a $500 depostit on the night. One guy really wanted to go, "Ooh but I didn't bring any money." Fuck off then, your out. Bloody tyre kicker. Graham wanted to hunt sambar in NZ and I wanted to hunt red stag. Brian Harre was the outfitter and generously let us do two 1x1 hunts.

The best idea is to brainstorm. Decide some format, maybe some "ideal theme", eg "claasic firearms preferred", a plains game hunt in South Africa, or Namibia, maybe some other shooting, wing shooting etc. A price list, a number of date alternatives. Then work out the best dates and then DEPOSITS to secure a limited place.

"maybe some "ideal theme", eg "claasic firearms preferred"", but if you turn up with some plastic stocked stainless monstrosity .... i won't say what happens. Ha ha. Not joking btw.

Oops, stuffed myself up, there goes me using my 8x68S or .404 in my plastic stocked Mauser M03 ....

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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #356619 - 06/09/21 03:42 PM

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I was worried, too many!

IT was GOOD it was only us. As the place had been shot out in the weeks before by a chopper. The owners often don't tell you stuff like that when taking your money ... Orion and I had a successful enough hunt, mainly at dawn and dusk. We weren't into spotlighting, which some Aussies immediately think of when "hunting pigs".






I learned from this as well. And from stories on the internet. I remember anither group hunt sold by an internet wannabe tout. Fall game and the accomodation some bessa concrete brick shed ... the guys going were not happy when coming home and demanded refunds.

So I learned whoever is hosting the hunt needs to know the game species and game populations can support 5 or 6 hunters at the same time. And the property is large enough, not some 2500 acre fenced South African game property. People would bump into each other all the time, or fight over the 2.5 kudu running still on the place. The accomodation is to the standard sold and purchased. Most importantly to me, the hunting is on par with the sales putch.

Some guys in the US go to a Texas game ranch as a group and hunt eland and what not here. With double rifles. The hunting is mainly meat hunting. That works out well, Trophies make it a lot harder.

I mentioned a Top End hunt. If in a place with lots of pigs, probably separate to the buffalo country, where pigs may be present but far less of them, pig hunting is like meat hunting. Just for fun and a few tusks on the boars if lucky. Orion and I between us took some 33 or so boars in three days on one excelletn pig hunting country. It may be some sort of reserve now,, due to all the birdlife.

If say hunting 2 or 3 by 1, only one can hunt at a time, especially if after "trophy" buffalo. If culling buffalo, cheaper and not as much competition for a big set of horns. Group fun hunts are not serious times to want a proper trophy of any sort IMO. Unless individals or small groups split off for a period for serious hunting.

Just some thoughts.

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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #356620 - 06/09/21 03:47 PM

Maybe being too negative. I just realised I have been on LOTS of group hunts. And successful and great fun and comradeship.

Driven style hunts, done as groups.

One hunts. At the meal times everyone gets around a fire to toast sausages and drink coffee! At the end of the day, for a group meal. And also butchering the ELG or MOOSE when someone takes one.

These hunts were in Norway and Sweden. Meat hunting for the group and if a hunter was lucky an occasioanl trophy.

Similar for some pheasant shoots I have done in the UK or Australia. Again group hunts.

Staffan on here also used to travel to Germany for driven hunts for boar and deer, as invited by the local landowner. These all fit the "group hunt" model, very successfully.

I enjoyed the comradeship at these times, and was not there for a trophy on the wall. Did not even have to shoot an animal myself, I was there to experience the different hunting cultures and times with friends, new and existing.

When working out a group hunt, such models might be worth bearing in mind. Just thoughts.

PS I have posted too many times. I think and hope I will be on a group hunt next year, with a host inviting a group of people. I hope it happens!

PPS If I win big in lotto, I will host one for NE.

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Edited by NitroX (06/09/21 03:51 PM)


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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #356623 - 06/09/21 06:54 PM

Matt , id be keen , Ive been looking at a African trip for a while. Not interested in a SA fence job . Have applied to a couple of outfitters but covid has stuffed everything up.
Did a group hunt thru a forum to Flinders island , great trip awesome group of people, whom I've hunted a bit more with since the trip. Great way to start a group outing .......... Flinders 22?
Cheers Mick


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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: 264]
      #356627 - 06/09/21 10:28 PM

Forget Africa Australia 2022 august September 2022. Me host 5 guests 3 from overseas you arrange John.

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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: Ahmed577]
      #356628 - 06/09/21 10:31 PM

I will drive up from WA. OVERSEAS GUESTS should travel with me to NT. ARRIVE in Australia hosted until departure.

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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: Ahmed577]
      #356629 - 06/09/21 11:37 PM

While my remark reference Martini's was tongue in cheek, the rest of your remarks are spot on John.

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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: DoubleD]
      #356639 - 07/09/21 03:50 PM

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While my remark reference Martini's was tongue in cheek, the rest of your remarks are spot on John.




Yes I know it was a jest. I think one forum, not this one, years ago would have liked to have a ".45/70 only group hunt". I would pass.

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Maybe the thread orginator, Waidmannsheil - Matt - can post some ideas on what sort of group hunt he is thinking of?

For more brainstorming and people to chime in with their comments.

A recent poster said, not being a fenced place. Would make it a lot more expensive and possibly a lot less game available. I too prefer unfenced, but makes opportunities a lot less to choose from. I don't like these pokey little SAf game farms. Some places however even though fenced are very large with room to move.

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Edited by NitroX (07/09/21 04:00 PM)


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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #356641 - 07/09/21 04:02 PM

BTW My wife has told me I need to get a sdecond job if I want to do this ... ... I am also currently buying, hopefully, half of a family property, just a small bush block but close by. Money money money!!!

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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #356758 - 14/09/21 10:53 PM

Thanks Gents for the feedback.

I thought RigbyMauser's original idea was a good one with members getting together for a hunt in Africa and using only rifles made before WW2. I believe it would be great fun out hunting as well as back at camp with much discussion and gun swapping and everyone having a shot of everyone else's guns, especially if it is something one hasn't seen or shot before.

Of course there would be nothing to stop people bringing modern guns but then it just turns into a get together like any other and IMO would loose some of the special feel that these old guns would provide to such an event, especially if the guns had originally been to Africa in their past. So in my opinion if we are going to do something like this then we should stick to pre-WW2 and have a ball.

Of course there has to be some allowance for repairs to the gun as not everyone can afford a pre-WW2 gun in perfect condition as these can be pricey. At the BGRC we have for instance an event called Classic Light Nitro, which is very popular, where both the cartridge and the rifle must be made before 1939 and the rifle must have been made as an original factory sporter. We do however allow for one of the three components, being lock, stock and barrel to be non original to allow not only people to be able to afford a rifle to shoot in that class but also to allow a lot more older guns to be shot. That way if the gun has a broken stock or a shot out barrel they can be replaced and the gun can be shot in the event. I think this is something that we should consider allowing as well.

As for hunting I personally am not a fan of hunting small fenced off farms or just driving around in vehicles and then hoping out and quickly taking a shot. To me if we are going to hunt with old rifles then we should be trying to hunt as closely as we can to how it was done in the past. In other words big proprieties with lots of walking. Of course allowances have to be made for some of the older members who cant physically handle walking big distances anymore.

I am not trying to dictate any rules or regulations, these are just my opinions and likes on a topic that is in my mind a lot.

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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: Ahmed577]
      #356759 - 14/09/21 10:56 PM

Ahmed, thanks for the post, although I am a little confused as to what you are trying say. Are you organising a hunt for any members who want to come along or is this only for a select few.

Matt.

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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #356761 - 15/09/21 02:41 AM

I am pinned down with leukemia treatment these days. My doctors have given me good prognosis to die of old age, but I still have to go through the entire chemo program. I am lucky I may not need a bonemarrow transplant or that would have extented my treatment an additional year.

Yea…I wouldstill love to do a little grouphunt with forummembers but I have to wait until after Christmas to see if I am alive….hahaha…naaa..just to be that further in my treatsments to actually get a feeling when I again can take a few weeks of without going to outpatient hospital for bloodtest. Btw…I was diagnosed with AML the 3rd of may and according to my doctor had about 14 days left to live at that time. I have had 3 bonemarrow biopsys since my first chemotreatment and all 3 time was complete remation( no leukemia).

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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: rigbymauser]
      #356767 - 15/09/21 08:56 AM

Glad to hear rigbymauser that you've been given a good prognosis. I've just finished my own chemo & stem cell treatment which differs from the transplant but achieves the same. Each cancer has its own treatment, mine being be very different from yours. It will be early December when I find out how well I rode the bucking bronc, never fell off, got mad at it & rode it to a stop then hopped off after the full 8 second ride; just waiting for the judges score to see how well I did! Don't think I'd qualify for this shoot, unless it is a Martini or an old P14 in 303.
Still it would be great to catch up with guys like yourselves regardless at some stage.
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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: 93x64mm]
      #356769 - 15/09/21 10:08 AM

Guys sorry to hear of your medical problems.

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Re: Group hunt in Africa [Re: 85lc]
      #356778 - 15/09/21 11:58 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Sure of course, as long as everyone was shooting some form of a Martini...




Would drinking a martini and shooting another vintage gun suffice






Agree with all that is said on the posts.. Sorry about the medical issues, always sucks..


Personally think no matter what weapons would be used it would be a great time to meet everyone .. but open sighted doubles would make it more interesting..

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