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skeet2atlow8
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6.5x54MS on black bear
      #355522 - 24/07/21 08:27 AM

I may have an opportunity this fall to hunt black bear here in Ontario. Has anyone any experience using 6.5x54MS on black bear? While there are several rifles I could take out, my 1903 is calling.

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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: skeet2atlow8]
      #355524 - 24/07/21 09:48 AM

No experience on NA/Can game, but advice is free:

Use a good bullet and shoot straight!

Very straight...!

Good luck! Post photos when the deed is done.

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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: Marrakai]
      #355526 - 24/07/21 01:51 PM

Same as Marrakai/Tony……..bigger bear, smaller bear……heart/lungs will kill but may run a fair distance. Break 'em down with a shoulder shot.
Seems that the 6.5 bullet offerings, that will feed in a 1903, are reported to be quite variable as to penetration and expansion? (Hornady 160 grain round nose)

6.5x54 MS at standard velocities with the 156-160 grain bullets ought to get the job done, but then our bears here are 200-350lbs….not huge.
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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: 3DogMike]
      #355536 - 25/07/21 08:23 AM

Those 6.5x54 MS rifles have shot many many many very large animals in Africa, especially with its original long bullets. The 6.5x55 (which yes is slightly faster) is used extensively in Scandinavia to shoot many moose (or elk as they call them). Choose a good bullet, put it in the right place and you have a dead animal.

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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: HeymSR20]
      #355556 - 25/07/21 06:21 PM

ZERO experience with bears, but from my complete armbair reading, I think a 6.5x54 mm MS with 160 gr or similar bullets would make a cool black bear rifle and with no problems.

Looking forward to hunt stories!

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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: NitroX]
      #355562 - 25/07/21 11:34 PM

Our best known modern time bear hunter Väinö Heikkinen shot more than 30 bears and most of them with VALMET combination gun. It´s rifle caliber is 6,5x52R.

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skeet2atlow8
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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: Igorrock]
      #355599 - 27/07/21 09:39 AM

Thanks for all the feedback! Lots to think about. I’ve got 160 and 156 gr RNSP in stock, and will likely stick with them- Norma, Woodleigh, PPU and old CIL. They shoot well in my 1903 and feed smoothly. Nosler 140gr Partitions and Speer Hot-Cor 140gr also shoot well, but don’t feed well compared to the long 156/160’s. I guess I could have a Partition in the chamber and 160’s in the magazine.

I’m also playing with an MS1908 stutzen (DST) rechambered to 8mm-06 as it is a nice piece, in the same style/platform. This is an interesting piece that proves the value of checking everything before shooting! It started life as a 8x56MS, was later rechambered and stamped on the barrel as 8x60S. Still later it came to be rechambered again, but not marked as such, in 8mm-06, with a shorter case length of 62.0mm (any longer and won’t chamber). It was originally fit with a front claw mount with a vertical split ring at 1”, and has a rear side base that is no longer removeable, using a soldered weaver ring on the flat. Some reloads and load data came with the rifle, and was traded for at local gun show for a Sedgley 1903 Sporter. It does well with 170 and 200 gr Speers.

Decisions, decisions. Now to wait until October!

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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: skeet2atlow8]
      #355620 - 28/07/21 07:16 AM

People kill them with bows and muzzleloaders. Trainloads were killed with .30-30s and .25-35s.

We moved to prime grizzly territory, with white tail deer and black bear. The issue here is that the report of a rifle is called a "dinner bell" to grizzlies who arrive when you are dressing your black bear with your .260 propped against a tree 20' away. The option is to hunt small deer with a .338. Bow hunters carry pepper spray.


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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: JHeath]
      #356355 - 26/08/21 03:26 AM

From what I've seen, you may have trouble making a bear stand still when it's dead. Chest shots do work, eventually, but not like it would on a deer. To make a bear die dead you need to shoot it in the head or spine. It doesn't really seem that it matters what you shoot it with; if you don't shoot it in the spine or head, it'll run away, two or three hundred yards, up a mountain, with three shots through the chest, over slash, up a tree, then die. (.308 Win)

Or it'll not know you're there when you shoot and run towards you, necessitating an African moment as two or three people start shooting a running bear thirty feet away. (30-06)

Or it'll run headlong into a deep ravine and die in a creek at the bottom. (7 mag)

Or through the neck, where it just dies. (7 RUM)

That was two weekends, five guns, in British Columbia. FWIW I was the gun that didn't get one!

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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: Dogfish858]
      #356364 - 26/08/21 11:22 AM

Dogfish858 I’ll keep that in mind!

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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: skeet2atlow8]
      #356371 - 27/08/21 12:40 AM

I suppose remember that they use those paws to beat on eachother to no effect, and use those same paws to swat their prey to death, so it's fair to state that what kills a deer does not kill a bear. What amazed me on butchering these animals was just how strong they are. Every inch is built like a reinforced elastic band. Even their ribs are turned sideways like deck stringers.

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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: Dogfish858]
      #356376 - 27/08/21 02:32 AM

Just saw this post..

I have used anything from a .223 to a .375 H&H to kill bears.. Black Bear to Alaskan Browns..

Hit correctly they die quickly..they have small lung capacity..

As others have suggested, use a good bullet and take out the lungs/heart.. they will not go far if at all.. my experiences.. while not a ton, have taken over 10 thus far.. a few just being a nuisance around the ranch.. one was killing chickens in the yard one morning.. --.223 was all it took.. 55 gr soft points.. Shot another large 22 yr old that was on a dead cow .. shot it with my .243 using .70 gr ballistic tips.. While not my ideal choice, it worked and what I had on me at the time..

I prefer A-Frames or Trophy Bonded if I am specifically going after bears..

Used Winchester factory ammo on an Alaskan Brown bear.. took 2 shots on that one.. hit him broadside at about 60 yards.. he dropped got back up, spun and ran towards the timber..got one more in him as he was running.. he was dead about 80 yards into the high grass and trees..

Took a guy out one day to hunt black bears.. he forgot the clip to his rifle so gave him mine to shoot when we found a big boar breeding a sow.. he wounded it..low and back in the guts.. guy emptied my rifle trying to him him as he was headed our way.. guy ran back to me and said "better load up, we have a pissed off bear coming our way".. Was a 280AI.. I got 2 - 140gr Nosler Accubonds into my rifle before the bear come over the ridge to me.. shot him once in the chest.. DEAD..

Hope this helps..


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skeet2atlow8
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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: Ripp]
      #356655 - 08/09/21 10:14 AM

Well, black bear season opened today. I’ll keep this updated as things get underway. Good luck to anyone else who’s heading out to hunt.

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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: skeet2atlow8]
      #356656 - 08/09/21 01:48 PM

Weidmannsheil!

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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: skeet2atlow8]
      #356662 - 09/09/21 02:21 AM

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Well, black bear season opened today. I’ll keep this updated as things get underway. Good luck to anyone else who’s heading out to hunt.




Ours opens in 7 days.. there has been a smaller black bear in the area.. we had a calf get hit by lightning a few weeks back..he devoured that thing in about 5 days..

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Re: 6.5x54MS on black bear [Re: Ripp]
      #356664 - 09/09/21 11:19 AM

Good luck Ripp!

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