Mctrigger
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I recently acquired a 9.3x62 built by W. Förster. She points like a finger with our with out the scope. Can’t wait to get it out. Looks beefy but feels slender. Has some weight in the butt stock. There is some recoiling reducer in there. Perhaps Mercury as I can hear it.
Feel free to share any info on this rifle as there was limited amounts I found online.
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tinker
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You should get that recoil reducer out of the stock and send it back to the lady you bought the rifle from.
She probably needs it.
Great looking rifle!
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DarylS
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Really good looking rifle. 9.3x62 really doesn't need a recoil reducer. Nice shooting rifles.
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kuduae
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Wilhelm k. Förster = Foerster called himself „Königlicher Hofbüchsenmacher“ = gunmaker to a Royal Court (which one?). He founded his business at Taubenstrasse 47, Berlin W 8 in 1861. By 1925 the business was run by a Paul Schmidt. It would be interesting to know about the proofmarks and numbers under barrel and receiver. Knowing them may allow closer dating of the rifle.
Already posted another pre-WW1 W. Foerster rifle in 9.3x62 some years ago. Foerster’s serial number is 9753. It was built on a Mauser, Oberndorf, commercial action number 22064, which dates the action to 1907 – 08.
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Mctrigger
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Beauty rifle kuduae.
I did not know of that Paul Schmidt taking over. I’ll research that for sure.
I did get some pictures of the proofs.
Edited by Mctrigger (20/05/21 11:50 AM)
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kuduae
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Your rifle was made for Foerster in the early 1920s by the well known gunmaker Richard Schüler / Schueler, Roschstr.13, Suhl. Schüler built the rifle on an action left over from the 1915 -17 decentralised Gewehr 98 military production, as usual during the interwar years. The receiver was delivered to Suhl in WW1 by Siemens & Halske who had the machinery to make this most complicated part, other than all the Suhl gunmakers. The barrel was made by the Klett barrelmakers in Suhl. The rifle was nitro proofed by the Suhl proofhouse for the standard 9.3x62 load, an 18 gramm = 285 gr Steel jacketed bullet at 2330 fps. Much later, post-WW2 someone altered the bolthandle and installed a Dayton - Traister trigger.
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congratulations, made by Schüler is a respectable parentage
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Lovely rifle there McTrigger, very nice indeed!
It's in a great calibre, for your part of the world it will certainly come in handy.
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Mctrigger
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Truly appreciate the research kuduae!
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DarylS
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Quote:
Your rifle was made for Foerster in the early 1920s by the well known gunmaker Richard Schüler / Schueler, Roschstr.13, Suhl. Schüler built the rifle on an action left over from the 1915 -17 decentralised Gewehr 98 military production, as usual during the interwar years. The receiver was delivered to Suhl in WW1 by Siemens & Halske who had the machinery to make this most complicated part, other than all the Suhl gunmakers. The barrel was made by the Klett barrelmakers in Suhl. The rifle was nitro proofed by the Suhl proofhouse for the standard 9.3x62 load, an 18 gramm = 285 gr Steel jacketed bullet at 2330 fps. Much later, post-WW2 someone altered the bolthandle and installed a Dayton - Traister trigger.
I am not seeing 9.3x62 - just 9mm 62.
My Oberndorf is marked 9.3 62mm on the bl.
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kuduae
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I am not seeing 9.3x62 - just 9mm 62.
My Oberndorf is marked 9.3 62mm on the bl.
A common quirk of the old, 1893 – 1939, German proofmarks. The proofhouses did not mark the cartridge designation nor the groove or bullet diameter, but the bore or land diameter of the rifled barrel. This was measured using cylindrical plugs. The largest size plug hat passed the barrel was marked with the proofmarks. Until 1911-12 the plug diameter was expressed with a gauge number (number of lead balls to a British pound), then in millimeters in .1 mm increments. So a “9 mm” marked barrel may have been 9.099 mm indeed. To the bore/land diameter you have to add 2x the groove depth to get to the groove or bullet diameter. Often the maximum case length was marked too. The now familiar metric cartridge names, nominal caliber x case length in mm, were standardized by 1925 only. Only then the Mauser, Oberndorf factory started to mark their rifles visible with f.i. 9,3x62. Before, they marked just 9.3 mm. On the underside of an original Mauser factory barrel you will find more information: Land diameter- groove diameter – twist length and often the outmoded gauge number. But this did not apply to other gunmakers or proofhouses until the new 1940 proof law.
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DarylS
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Thus, 9mm makes sense as 9mm = .354", which, within reason is the bore size of a 9.3x62's .365" to .367" normal groove diameter.
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