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200gr Woodleigh for 30-06
      #353414 - 14/05/21 11:38 PM

Hi there,

Anybody got any experience shooting 200gr Woodleighs in 30-06?
Want to use them on larger animals here in South Africa.

Velocity achieved, accuracy?

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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Bigfive]
      #353415 - 14/05/21 11:52 PM

Quote:

Hi there,

Anybody got any experience shooting 200gr Woodleighs in 30-06?
Want to use them on larger animals here in South Africa.

Velocity achieved, accuracy?

Regards
Bigfive




A blast from the past! A long time.

I have not used them yet, but have some currently on order from Woodleigh.

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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: NitroX]
      #353416 - 15/05/21 12:09 AM

Not woodleighs..but used 200 gr A-Frames the last 4 times there..performed perfectly..

Think 200gr 30 cal unless are perfect for plains game ..and for elk here

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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: NitroX]
      #353417 - 15/05/21 12:11 AM

Yes buddy its been a long time.


It seems to be the only decent "heavy" stuff around here available for 3006.


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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Bigfive]
      #353418 - 15/05/21 12:25 AM

Ripp,

Is there enough energy gain using 200gr compared to a 180gr @2500fps. In your opinion will it leave you with better killing power?

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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Bigfive]
      #353419 - 15/05/21 01:19 AM

Why would you use 180gr. at below .303 velocities, Bigfive?
Most 24" .30/06's will deliver 200's at over 2,500fps.
Hodgdon lists 13 loads for the 200gr. Nosler Partition that are between 2,510fps and 2,590fps, in it's annual manual.

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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: DarylS]
      #353422 - 15/05/21 01:57 AM

Woodlieghs are hard to find in Wyoming and very expensive when you do. So my experience with them is very limited and I personally have never killed any animal with any Woodleigh, but I have seen it done 4 times. Never with a 30-06 and never with that particular bullet.

BUT... I have to guess the results would be very similar to other high quality bullets of the same weight and speed fired from a 30-06.
What I have used with excellent success from 30-06s in the past are the 220 grain Nosler Partitions and the 200 grain Nosler Partitions. In addition I have used standard "cup-and-core" Hornady 220 grain and Sierra 220 grain bullets. I have shot deer, bear and elk with them so the game has run from about 125 pounds to about 875 pounds. Of the 4 I listed above the Hornady 220 RN is the "worst" and it was still very good. The 220 RN Sierra being a little better and the 2 Partitions even better still. I have no doubt at all the 200 or 220 grain Woodleighs would be excellent from your 30-06.

Too may people have been lead to believe a faster bullet is "better" and in my 50+ years of hunting I have not found that to be universally true. Big bullet that hold together and impact at speeds from 1800 to 2300 FPS seem to be at least as deadly as the faster bullets and often better. The "Electric Shock" we see with super fast bullets in not uniform and sometimes it works well, sometimes it doesn't, and when it doesn't the lack of exits and/or deep penetration can and does work against you at times.

My experience with 200 and 220 grain 30 cals have all been from 30-06, 300 Win mag, 300 H&H and 308 Norma. But the 30-06 is the one I used with those bullet the most, and I have zero to complain about. I'd bet the Woodleighs would be as good as the Noslers. I would not hesitate to load them if I could get them or afford them.

Just as a side note: I live and hunt in places that have the largest concentrations of Grizzly Bears in the world per square mile. One rifle that I often carry when I am out there is an M1 Garand loaded with 220 grain RN bullets which I load with charges of 3031 powder so the port pressure is perfect for the old M1. The muzzle velocity is "only" about 2375 FPS. But I have used that rifle and load to kill large elk, deer and black bear, and the penetration is wonderful, and bone is not a problem. I have never shot a grizzly with one but black bear and elk are laid low with them and I trust my life to them. Many men seem to not think of the old M1 as a "dangerous game rifle" but I point out that hordes of Japanese, German, Korean and Chinese soldiers fanatically bent on killing you DO qualify as dangerous. The M1 need not offer any apologies for such a classification.

So, for big bears and other game up to about 1000 pounds I'd say if the Woodleigh is in the same class, saying I'd trust one for that kind of situation would be noteworthy.

Are the as good? I don't know, but some folks here may have shot both Partitions and Woodleighs and be able to tell you.

Edited by szihn (15/05/21 02:12 AM)


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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Bigfive]
      #353423 - 15/05/21 03:59 AM


Many apologies Ripp. I accidentally edited and replaced your post instead of quoting it. Apologies! NitroX

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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Ripp]
      #353426 - 15/05/21 12:44 PM

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Yes buddy its been a long time.


It seems to be the only decent "heavy" stuff around here available for 3006.




Quote:

Ripp,

Is there enough energy gain using 200gr compared to a 180gr @2500fps. In your opinion will it leave you with better killing power?




Don't be a stranger. Stick around.

As for 200 gr projectiles and .30-06's. In the safari prior to when I hunted with you, I used a .30-06 in Zimbabwe for plains game, including zebra, warthog, duiker, kudu, wildebeest, eland and impala.

I didn't have enough 180 gr Noseler Partitiions loaded up so decided to pop in the ammo box some 200 gr Nosler Partitions in a discontinued semi pointed design.

Which was a good move. I experienced problems with the 180 gr Nosler Partitions acting like a FMJ. The tip being far too fragile, blowing up and the shank zipping through like a FMJ. Caused problems with my zebra and my warthog. My wildebeest was not shot well so that was my fault. I believe the problems was with a "bad batch" as most people do not experience these probelsm.

I did chance the same loads a decade later on a sambar with member Gryphon. That stag ran and collapsed in a batch of blackberries. So no problem there.

For the safari I then switched to the 200 gr Nosler Partition Semi-pointed. NO PROBLEMS whatsoever. The head tracker Judea thought I was using a different rifle. The 200 gr Noselr Partitions semi-pointed expanded and made proper wound channels. Kudu, a couple of shots, because it didn't drop on the first. Duiker and impala either dropped or ran and died promptly. The eland was a one shot plus one shot kill. The first shot angled through from behind to just above the heart brought it to a stand. Running up a second shot to the heart hurried its death and dropped it to the ground. It was satsifying for us, as a dickhead fool of a PH in camp claimed a .30-06 could not kill an eland.

I'm planning to try Woodleighs in my .30-06 in 200 gr, 220 gr and 240 gr weights. For heavier bullets I prefer a semi pointed or round nose SP. Can't remember which of the Woodleighs are RNs. Perhaps the 220 and 240.

As for velocity, my .30-06 did from memory about 2300 to 2400 fps. I never seem to get the velocities some other handloaders do. I usually work up a load to the most accurate and then stick with that, rather than seek less accurate loads with more velocity.

I would be more than happy to use 200 gr bullets in my .30-06 if the bullet is of decent design fro controlled expansion.

PS D, you used to have a .243 and .460 Wea Mag. Added a .30-06 I presume. Any others in the 10 to 15 years? Welcome back. Hope all is well in South Africa for you.

Just remembered, it was in 2006, I think.

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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: NitroX]
      #353429 - 15/05/21 04:12 PM

Tried the Woodleighs in an '06 (1903 Springfield, vintage of 1918, iron sights). Velocity was around 2300 fps. Accuracy was nothing special, benched it was somewhere around 2 1/2" for 5 shots at 100 yards.

Performance was surprising. Target was a wild pig, at about 30 yards. As is my usual practice, I aimed for the bullet to exit the shoulder on the off side, which it did. The bullet then proceeded to go through the chest of another (previously unseen) pig, then go skipping off to visit the neighbors.

First pig was about 350 pounds. The bullet went through a rib on the entry side, and through the shoulder joint on the off-side. I noticed some bits of jacket material and lead in the joint but didn't collect/weigh them. Second pig was about 200 pounds; the bullet destroyed ribs on both sides.

That was the only shot I got that day, went back to the 303 for the rest of the trip.


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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Bigfive]
      #353436 - 16/05/21 05:22 AM

Quote:

Ripp,

Is there enough energy gain using 200gr compared to a 180gr @2500fps. In your opinion will it leave you with better killing power?




In my opinion, 200grs is perfect for African plains game out of a 30 cal..IMHO they work superior to 180s..same here for elk in the US..

In Africa most shots are 150 yrds or less..so, not far enough where trajectory is a big issue...I've used them on eland, hippo, croc, zebra, etc..all worked perfectly..and in dozens of elk..

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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Ripp]
      #353437 - 16/05/21 05:26 AM

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Many apologies Ripp. I accidentally edited and replaced your post instead of quoting it. Apologies! NitroX

First time I have done that in twenty years ...






No problem..it happens.. even though it was probably my finest work ever..

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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Ripp]
      #353438 - 16/05/21 06:00 AM

Of course it was.

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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Ripp]
      #353439 - 16/05/21 09:07 AM

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Quote:


Many apologies Ripp. I accidentally edited and replaced your post instead of quoting it. Apologies! NitroX

First time I have done that in twenty years ...






No problem..it happens.. even though it was probably my finest work ever..






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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Rule303]
      #353447 - 16/05/21 12:08 PM

Quote:

Quote:

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Many apologies Ripp. I accidentally edited and replaced your post instead of quoting it. Apologies! NitroX

First time I have done that in twenty years ...






No problem..it happens.. even though it was probably my finest work ever..









Nobel Prize for Literature worthy ....

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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Jim_C]
      #353491 - 17/05/21 07:35 AM

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Tried the Woodleighs in an '06 (1903 Springfield, vintage of 1918, iron sights). Velocity was around 2300 fps. Accuracy was nothing special, benched it was somewhere around 2 1/2" for 5 shots at 100 yards.

Performance was surprising. Target was a wild pig, at about 30 yards. As is my usual practice, I aimed for the bullet to exit the shoulder on the off side, which it did. The bullet then proceeded to go through the chest of another (previously unseen) pig, then go skipping off to visit the neighbors.

First pig was about 350 pounds. The bullet went through a rib on the entry side, and through the shoulder joint on the off-side. I noticed some bits of jacket material and lead in the joint but didn't collect/weigh them. Second pig was about 200 pounds; the bullet destroyed ribs on both sides.

That was the only shot I got that day, went back to the 303 for the rest of the trip.




Two for the price of one!
Great sized pigs there Jim - bloody corker sizes!
Pigs can be tough customers, The old .303 is no slouch in this department either but to take an anchoring shot sometimes means drilling thru a LOT of pig to stop them, obviously have it in spades with this projectile!


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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #353803 - 27/05/21 09:39 PM

Thanks for the feedback guys.

I'll give it a go. As soon as I can get to the city I'll see what are my options for 200gr .30cal bullets. Maybe even 220's.

NitroX,nope it was before 2006. I got married in 2003 and it was before that. Must have been 2001/2. Anycase it was a bloody good outing. Sold the 460. Not working as a PH anymore and not a real fun gun for the range either. Just the 243 and 3006 now. Also not hunting myself that much either anymore even though we go out 4-5 times a year. Problem is the kids are always more than willing to do my hunting for me on my behalf and also on my bill. Luckily thats a good problem.

Maybe the 220grainers will keep them at bay a littlebit.hahahahahaha

I will let everyone know once I have some results.


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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Bigfive]
      #353806 - 27/05/21 10:02 PM

B5
ever thought of using the hydrostatic type Woodies?
They do have them in .308"
Code is H308A & H308 - 150gn & 180gn respectively, the harder you push them the better they work.
The new versions will come out with a plastic covering tip to aid reloading.
Worth a try


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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Bigfive]
      #353808 - 27/05/21 11:31 PM

Quote:

Thanks for the feedback guys.

I'll give it a go. As soon as I can get to the city I'll see what are my options for 200gr .30cal bullets. Maybe even 220's.

NitroX,nope it was before 2006. I got married in 2003 and it was before that. Must have been 2001/2. Anycase it was a bloody good outing. Sold the 460. Not working as a PH anymore and not a real fun gun for the range either. Just the 243 and 3006 now. Also not hunting myself that much either anymore even though we go out 4-5 times a year. Problem is the kids are always more than willing to do my hunting for me on my behalf and also on my bill. Luckily thats a good problem.

Maybe the 220grainers will keep them at bay a littlebit.hahahahahaha

I will let everyone know once I have some results.




Looking forward to your report...

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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Bigfive]
      #353821 - 28/05/21 03:38 PM

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NitroX,nope it was before 2006. I got married in 2003 and it was before that. Must have been 2001/2. Anycase it was a bloody good outing. Sold the 460. Not working as a PH anymore and not a real fun gun for the range either. Just the 243 and 3006 now. Also not hunting myself that much either anymore even though we go out 4-5 times a year. Problem is the kids are always more than willing to do my hunting for me on my behalf and also on my bill. Luckily thats a good problem.





Hi D, yes it was August 2001, the year of the Gwayi Warvets!

I was getting confused about when I hunted in South Africa. I did visit in 2006 but hunted in Namibia and Zimbabwe and did visit Jaco Human in your area and there was a get together at his place. Later Christine came over and we did the Garden Route from Cape Twown to Port Elizabeth or whatever MumboJumbo name it might now have. A lovely trip.

Sometime in the future I hope to come over again and want to see Natal as well as some hunting of course. Maybe we can drag you out into the bush.

PS I was going to post an image of my purchased .30 calibre Woodleigh bullets but alas, I received a box weighing half a tonne of Woodleighs through a recent club order. And alas no .30 calibres included. My order included some common choices and a lot of obscure choices and the common ones seem to be in demand and short supply.

D, stick around and don't be a stranger on the forums and disappear again.

Other members, BigFive is one of our FIRST ever members and also from the MSN community which existed before these forums were established.

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The forums were created 24/12/02.

An MSN community existed before that for a year or two.

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Edited by NitroX (28/05/21 03:40 PM)


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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #353966 - 03/06/21 01:01 AM

Quote:

B5
ever thought of using the hydrostatic type Woodies?
They do have them in .308"
Code is H308A & H308 - 150gn & 180gn respectively, the harder you push them the better they work.
The new versions will come out with a plastic covering tip to aid reloading.
Worth a try




Hi 93,

I doubt if they are available here in RSA but I will check it our thanks a lot.


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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: NitroX]
      #353967 - 03/06/21 01:05 AM

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NitroX,nope it was before 2006. I got married in 2003 and it was before that. Must have been 2001/2. Anycase it was a bloody good outing. Sold the 460. Not working as a PH anymore and not a real fun gun for the range either. Just the 243 and 3006 now. Also not hunting myself that much either anymore even though we go out 4-5 times a year. Problem is the kids are always more than willing to do my hunting for me on my behalf and also on my bill. Luckily thats a good problem.





Hi D, yes it was August 2001, the year of the Gwayi Warvets!

I was getting confused about when I hunted in South Africa. I did visit in 2006 but hunted in Namibia and Zimbabwe and did visit Jaco Human in your area and there was a get together at his place. Later Christine came over and we did the Garden Route from Cape Twown to Port Elizabeth or whatever MumboJumbo name it might now have. A lovely trip.

Sometime in the future I hope to come over again and want to see Natal as well as some hunting of course. Maybe we can drag you out into the bush.

PS I was going to post an image of my purchased .30 calibre Woodleigh bullets but alas, I received a box weighing half a tonne of Woodleighs through a recent club order. And alas no .30 calibres included. My order included some common choices and a lot of obscure choices and the common ones seem to be in demand and short supply.

D, stick around and don't be a stranger on the forums and disappear again.

Other members, BigFive is one of our FIRST ever members and also from the MSN community which existed before these forums were established.

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The forums were created 24/12/02.

An MSN community existed before that for a year or two.





I'll surely stick around


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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Bigfive]
      #357918 - 08/11/21 09:10 PM

I have never used the 200G woodleighs in the 30-06 but I have used the 220gr woodleighs extensively for the past 4 years to shoot sambar only converting back to 165gr Nosler BT in the last year. They penetrate very sell and I've only found a handful of the years of a couple of hundred deer. They average about 68% weight retention on the ones I recovered. They open up well and don't overly damage the meat. The velocity was around about 2400fps and they were loaded about a grain below maximum. They would kick a bit in light rifle and certainly more than the Nosler 165gr BT.

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Re: 200gr Woodleigh for 30-06 [Re: Bigfive]
      #358020 - 11/11/21 07:02 AM

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Ripp,

Is there enough energy gain using 200gr compared to a 180gr @2500fps. In your opinion will it leave you with better killing power?




IMHO, the 200's do offer an advantage in energy.. again, my experiences have been shooting 180's vs 200's out of 300 Win Mags and 300 RUM.. For ME, it was noticable shooting the larger plains game.. Eland, zebra, etc.. actually shot my hippo and croc with them..

I realize most shots are relatively shorter in distance, but the 200's will have a better BC and SD..

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