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EDELWEISS
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How many?
      #353029 - 03/05/21 11:46 AM

How many handguns do you carry? That was a question I got at the shop. At the time I was open carrying two 45LC 1873 clones with 3 1/2 barrels in a double western style shoulder holster. I also had a cut down 1860 with a cartridge conversion. I don that same or similar set up occasionally at the gun shop as demonstration to new buyers that they dont need a micro gun for concealment.

Youd be surprised how many folks think a G19 is too big to conceal. One of the other guys carries a M9 and two spare mags as his "regular rig". Now Im a huge Western carry guy but I dont open carry outside the shop. When things are bad (riots, elections, or just going outside me "Green Zone), I typically carry something a bit more modern and always at least one spare magazine.

When I was a Cop policy was that we couldnt carry a back up; but I knew a few who did during "bad Times" like the days following 911 and the Freddy Gray riots. Some guys carried a small handgun like a SeeCamp 32acp, in a shirt pocket or something bigger like a AR pistol in their briefcase. At the height of the riots I never left home without extra mags

The loudest noise in a gun fight is CLICK and the fastest reload is a second gun

So how many do you carry

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Re: How many? [Re: EDELWEISS]
      #353031 - 03/05/21 01:00 PM

1 for a while, then 2 (.38 in the brief-case, one, M29 4" on hip, but I don't "carry" any more.

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Re: How many? [Re: DarylS]
      #353032 - 03/05/21 02:26 PM

None.

Here in Australia we have not yet lost the freedom to wander around anywhere and everywhere unarmed.

Sometimes carry a folder though, in case I need to peel an orange or trim some string or somethin'...



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Re: How many? [Re: Marrakai]
      #353035 - 03/05/21 07:13 PM

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None.

Here in Australia we have not yet lost the freedom to wander around anywhere and everywhere unarmed.

Sometimes carry a folder though, in case I need to peel an orange or trim some string or somethin'...






I too carry some and sometimes too many!

A small Swiss AK as a keytag for my Landcruiser.

A tiny LM as a keytag for my farm keys.

A larger LM in a holster on my belt.

A wooden or antler grip in my pocket. Folder of course.

Swiss AK is Swiss Army Knife and LM is a Leatherman.

Also similar to Marrakai, I carry them to hang my keys off, peel an apple, cut a banana open without bruising, open envelopes, cut twine or hay bales open, gut a rabbit, cut off grape bunches samplying, or cut off a vine rod ad hoc, as for the full sized leatherman, endless uses, screwdriver, open jars, bottles, nuts, screws, bolts, tightening or removing my aerial etc.

*Not only are we not allowed to carry a fireamrnm but not even a knife, wiothout a proper purpose ... )

I am happy and thankfull not to have to carry firearms in daily life to feel safety when out and about.

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Re: How many? [Re: NitroX]
      #353036 - 03/05/21 07:28 PM

Back to Edelweiss's question. I would like to add. Who has actually used their carry handgun, in civlian life? By used, I mean, had to draw it, but not necessarily fire it. Details appreciated.

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EDELWEISS
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Re: How many? [Re: NitroX]
      #353048 - 04/05/21 02:22 AM

Quote:

Back to Edelweiss's question. I would like to add. Who has actually used their carry handgun, in civlian life? By used, I mean, had to draw it, but not necessarily fire it. Details appreciated.




Besides me? That was actually when I was still a working cop. I was off duty at the time and walked into a robbery in a convenience store. Thankfully it ended without a shot BUT confirmed why I always carry.

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Re: How many? [Re: EDELWEISS]
      #353049 - 04/05/21 02:33 AM

I would say that knives count where guns arent allowed and would even include other weapons or "could be weapons" (padlock on a bandana etc). They are all tools, handguns are just better options.

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Re: How many? [Re: EDELWEISS]
      #353053 - 04/05/21 04:13 AM

The fellow who gave us out "Bear Aware" course noted that if all we could carry was a knife, that it should have a minimum of 10" of blade. I showed him my tanto and he said "That would do it", however a wakizashi or Katana would be better. A 12 bore pump with heavy slugs tops it all.

I always have my Leatherman - with 2 - count them - 2 very dangerous short blades (knife and saw). This belt tool gets used, most every day for something or other. Before getting one (birthday present) I didn't think it necessary as I always had a folder in my pocket. After getting that first Leatherman Wave, I could not believe how important a tool it was - every day use - always on my belt.
Currently packing a Leatherman Sidekick.

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Re: How many? [Re: DarylS]
      #353060 - 04/05/21 07:52 AM

Leatherman's and similar are perhaps the best tool Ive ever carried. They get used for so many more things than fighting. When it comes to actual defensive use, they arent so great BUT will always be better than a sharp stick and harsh language.

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Re: How many? [Re: EDELWEISS]
      #353061 - 04/05/21 08:24 AM

Yes, I think a needle-nose blow to the side of the head might get some attention, one tine or two.

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Re: How many? [Re: DarylS]
      #353070 - 04/05/21 09:07 PM

Yes a knife or multi tool is better then harsh words BUT they make you go "hands on". That isnt my first second or third choice with a kid born in this century. Whats that quote about Sam Colt making all men equal?

It takes a lot of training to fight hands on; trust me after 20 years of various martial arts, I have learned to block every punch with my nose.... The only non firearms training that worked was fencing. Ive considered carrying a Epee but it makes getting in/out of the car an issue

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Re: How many? [Re: NitroX]
      #353080 - 05/05/21 02:29 AM

Quote:

Back to Edelweiss's question. I would like to add. Who has actually used their carry handgun, in civlian life? By used, I mean, had to draw it, but not necessarily fire it. Details appreciated.




I have on several occassions on the highways.. Both times no shots were fired.. once it was drawn the threat left... One was back in the 80's.. I was driving through a reservation. A van full of locals pulled up behind me in a van..I was in a Honda Accord.. they pulled beside me and tried to run me off the road.. I hit the brakes and they overshot me.. I passed them later at a high rate of speed.. again they pulled beside me however by then I had reached under my drivers seat and pulled out my Ruger Security Six in .357 Mag.. waived it the passenger who turned and said something to the driver.. they backed way off and let me alone..

Had an incident in a west coast city.. approached by 2 fine young men.. looking for free shit.. I opened my jacket as I stepped back so they could see my handgun..they decided to go elsewhere..

Another time some asshole wanted to run me off the highway while I was on my Harley with his Cadillac .. I reached under my jacket and grabbed a S&W 357 snubnosed revolver.. pointed directly at the driver.. he braked very hard... that ended that...

Not a handgun but firearm below..

As a farm kid I shot twice at vehicles coming into our yard trying to steal gas in the middle of the night.. they lost some tail lights one night when my brothers and I opened fire on them.. this was in the 70's..

One day we went home early to milk the cows as we were having my parents 25th wedding anniversary to attend... In broad daylight a pickup with a 50 gallon drum in the back pulls up to our gas pumps.. I had a 12 gauge in the barn to use on skunks and such that we might run into.. as they got out of the truck and in the box I let loose a 12 gauge round directly at them.. they were back in their truck in olympic times spinning the tires to get out of our yard..I fired 2 more at their vehicle leaving..

One summer evening I heard voices in my farm yard at 3AM.. I was on particularly high alert as 2 elderly people had just been killed in Minot ND.. brutal..with throats slit and shot in the head.. I had helped the local sheriffs look for them in abandoned farm yards and riding fields with my horse.. Anyway, I woke my wife and handed her my handgun by the bed.. grabbed an AR and went to the door..Sure enough they knocked..I hit a very bright light shinning to the outside.. told them to step back from the door.. I used my foot to open the door while keeping my AR on them.. THEY freaked out.. come to find out they were from the Air Force base in Minot.. were attending a street dance in the local town and had hit the ditch with their vehicle while on the muddy roads.. still didn't explain why they were 4 miles off of the highway which is where my farm was at the time.... I called my neighbor who come down and assisted in pulling them out.. I kept the AR in my hands the entire time..I imagine they had quite the story to tell once they got back to base..

These are the immediate ones that come to mind....

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Re: How many? [Re: Ripp]
      #353095 - 05/05/21 09:11 AM

Wow - good on you Ripp
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Re: How many? [Re: TH44]
      #353213 - 08/05/21 01:42 PM

I currently carry the GLOCK 19 (Gen 4) as my duty sidearm and off-duty. I've never found concealment to be an issue. I was informed a couple weeks ago that I will be issued the new G45 (Gen 5) in the near future so I went ahead and purchased the G19. When I am issued the G45 I'll just move the G19 to the safe and it will become my full-time CCW.

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Re: How many? [Re: DarylS]
      #353217 - 08/05/21 11:45 PM

Quote:

The fellow who gave us out "Bear Aware" course noted that if all we could carry was a knife, that it should have a minimum of 10" of blade. I showed him my tanto and he said "That would do it", however a wakizashi or Katana would be better. A 12 bore pump with heavy slugs tops it all.

I always have my Leatherman - with 2 - count them - 2 very dangerous short blades (knife and saw). This belt tool gets used, most every day for something or other. Before getting one (birthday present) I didn't think it necessary as I always had a folder in my pocket. After getting that first Leatherman Wave, I could not believe how important a tool it was - every day use - always on my belt.
Currently packing a Leatherman Sidekick.





I have a leatherman on my belt every single day at the ranch..have another in my tool box and another in my side door on the ranch truck..invaluable on the ranch every day..

As to the murders I mentioned in my earlier post..found this on-line..
https://www.minotdailynews.com/news/local-news/2018/10/brutal-senseless-slayings/

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Re: How many? [Re: Ripp]
      #353265 - 09/05/21 11:23 PM

The leatherman is a great tool. I have a few myself and yes they can be used as an improvised weapon; but I think we can all agree that a Leatherman (or for that matter a screwdriver is hardly a first choice for self defense at least WHERE CARRYING FIREARMS ARE AND OPTION.

Thats the big difference. Criminals by definition do not obey laws SO laws which are only black ink on white paper do not effect them during their crimes (maybe after but not during). In a place where civilians can not legally own or carry handguns, then they must access the risk of getting caught with a gun VS getting caught without one. In those places carrying a leatherman tool for defensive purposes may also be a crime--ask the man in Britain who defended his home from a burglar with a cricket bat but didnt play criket and was charged with assault.

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Re: How many? [Re: EDELWEISS]
      #353279 - 10/05/21 03:16 AM

Chuckled at the inclusion of screw-driver. I have one of those, rather large one, for repelling boarders. It resides in the door pocket of my PU. It's there for removing the hub caps for changing tires, don't-cha know.
Incidental use as in for self defense is totally OK- at this time.
What about the guy in Australia who cut up a home invader with a Katana. He was exonerated, seems to me. I have a couple of those as well, "in my collection".
I think I also have a sword in my cane, but that's another topic. I don't use it, of course.

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Re: How many? [Re: DarylS]
      #353298 - 10/05/21 09:54 PM

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Chuckled at the inclusion of screw-driver. I have one of those, rather large one, for repelling boarders. It resides in the door pocket of my PU. It's there for removing the hub caps for changing tires, don't-cha know.
Incidental use as in for self defense is totally OK- at this time.
What about the guy in Australia who cut up a home invader with a Katana. He was exonerated, seems to me. I have a couple of those as well, "in my collection".
I think I also have a sword in my cane, but that's another topic. I don't use it, of course.


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Re: How many? [Re: Ripp]
      #353301 - 11/05/21 01:57 AM

When I carry I only carry one, a 45 auto, with 18 rounds. It seems whenever I tell someone that I carry a .45 the common response is """"those bullets only travel at 900fps"''', My answer is ""'Bet you can't out run it!!!!""""




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Re: How many? [Re: Longknife]
      #353303 - 11/05/21 02:11 AM

A 1911 in 45 is easy to carry, us easy to control to shoot accurately and offers good protection.

A friend carries a Ruger LCP in 380 which I find very hard to shoot accurately and the bullet isn't as effective as a 45. The only reason he carries it is that it fits in his pants pocket.

I suggested that he just carry one of his 45s in a small of back holster which is easy to use (except sitting in a car).

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Re: How many? [Re: DarylS]
      #353310 - 11/05/21 06:11 AM

Quote:

The fellow who gave us out "Bear Aware" course noted that if all we could carry was a knife, that it should have a minimum of 10" of blade. I showed him my tanto and he said "That would do it", however a wakizashi or Katana would be better. A 12 bore pump with heavy slugs tops it all.

I always have my Leatherman - with 2 - count them - 2 very dangerous short blades (knife and saw). This belt tool gets used, most every day for something or other. Before getting one (birthday present) I didn't think it necessary as I always had a folder in my pocket. After getting that first Leatherman Wave, I could not believe how important a tool it was - every day use - always on my belt.
Currently packing a Leatherman Sidekick.




Unfortunately used my leatherman right out of the chute this morning..had 2 dogs with some seasons greetings from a local porcupine.. fortunately it wasn't that bad.. 17 in one and only 9 on the other..none too deep or inside the mouth thankfully..

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