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Waidmannsheil
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Maybe not
      #348187 - 20/12/20 07:48 PM

https://www.johnrigbyandco.com/rigby-launches-new-magnum-model-highland-stalker/

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Re: Maybe not [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #348189 - 20/12/20 09:02 PM


Gross

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Re: Maybe not [Re: GG375]
      #348190 - 20/12/20 09:42 PM

Agree Graeme. The lines are not particularly pleasing to my eye either, but I'm guessing it will be a marketing success nonetheless.

If I was to own a .300 Win Mag, I'd be much happier with an old Ruger M77 Mk.II...
...for a twentieth of the price!

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Re: Maybe not [Re: Marrakai]
      #348191 - 20/12/20 10:06 PM

No , thank you

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Re: Maybe not [Re: paradox_]
      #348211 - 21/12/20 03:49 AM

Incarnation of BREXIT in rifle design.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: justcurious]
      #348213 - 21/12/20 03:58 AM

Congratulations on your sharp sense of humour, Just Curious!
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Re: Maybe not [Re: Louis]
      #348222 - 21/12/20 05:40 AM


A good example of how to betray the spirit of simplicity and elegance.
It happens when greed allows to make ugly what was beautiful.... but that won't stop some would-be connoisseurs from buying that horror to show it proudly in their rack.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: DORLEAC]
      #348225 - 21/12/20 06:01 AM

Looks more like a “Rigchester” or “Remingby”.
Made to suit production and new age taste rather than tradition?
Not my cup of tea.......
- Mike

ADDED/EDIT:
The 25" barrel is to my notion quite fine, I'd even be happy with 26" (tradition you know)
The choice of .300 Win Mag is understandable from a marketing standpoint, but from a traditional outlook it would be so much better in (gasp) .300 H&H Belted Mag.
All that being said, the price tag is a bit out of my league, and even then I'd opt for the "London Best" or London Best - Vintage" version....after all, what is a few thousand more $$$ when you are ordering a Rigby?


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Re: Maybe not [Re: 3DogMike]
      #348232 - 21/12/20 06:56 AM

Quote:

Looks more like a “Rigchester” or “Remingby”.
Made to suit production and new age taste rather than tradition?
Not my cup of tea.......
- Mike





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Re: Maybe not [Re: 3DogMike]
      #348235 - 21/12/20 07:21 AM

Quote:

Looks more like a “Rigchester” or “Remingby”.
Made to suit production and new age taste rather than tradition?
Not my cup of tea.......
- Mike



I have to agree with you there Mike.
I don't like to do a fine company like Rigby a disservice, the rifle will probably shoot very well also!
Companies like H&H did accuracy work on military rifles over the years - but they were military rifles!
If you want a .300WM to do your Plains game then that is perfectly fine by me, but the rifle should be in a "Plains game" guise rather than what we have here.
Very functional yes, but as to being my cup of tea; I'm afraid its gone rather cold!

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Re: Maybe not [Re: 93x64mm]
      #348238 - 21/12/20 08:08 AM

It just appears WRONG.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: DarylS]
      #348257 - 21/12/20 01:16 PM

The stock would benefit from another 1.5+ inches of drop and the barrel by losing a couple of inches in length, but not as hideous as I had expected. I was expecting one of their more garish modern creations.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: mckinney]
      #348300 - 22/12/20 09:37 AM

It looks like a bolt-action shotgun.

The text should read: "...VERY heavy sporter profile barrel."

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Marrakai
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Re: Maybe not [Re: vykkagur]
      #348303 - 22/12/20 09:58 AM

Ah yes, the text...

Quote:

all forms of mountain hunting


At a poofteenth under 4kg empty and unscoped, one wonders at the justification of that statement!

Don't get me wrong, absolutely love Rigbys and applaud the company for their current reincarnation, but just can't get my head around the promulgation of the "bag grip" into the twenty-first century.

But hey, that's just me....

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Re: Maybe not [Re: Marrakai]
      #348319 - 22/12/20 07:07 PM

I am a bit surprised at the comments of it should have a shorter barrel to "look" better! It is a "magnum" rifle. A 25 inch or even better a 26 inch barrel is entirely appropriate. A 23 or 24 " barrel on a "magnum" sized cartridge is a modern abomination.

What is wrong and looks off is the barrel profile and taper. The Mauser barrel suppliers need to pull their accounting heads in and allow Rigby to use more appropriate barrels, profiles and tapers.

As for the stock shape, I would have to put it up alongside their existing Highland Stalker rifles/ To see if it is any different. My guess it will not be at all. And the Highland Stalker with a shorter maybe different barrel profile looked fine, was complemented on NE quite a bit. And a great commercial success.

https://www.johnrigbyandco.com/wp-content/uploads/Highland-Stalker-300wm-scaled.jpg

A .300 Win Mag? Well that is now a "classic". Yep a .300 H&H Mag would be a nice idea, if you want one, order it with a custom chambering. Commercially the H&H choice would not be successful.


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Re: Maybe not [Re: NitroX]
      #348344 - 23/12/20 03:00 AM

Quote:

I am a bit surprised at the comments of it should have a shorter barrel to "look" better! It is a "magnum" rifle. A 25 inch or even better a 26 inch barrel is entirely appropriate. A 23 or 24 " barrel on a "magnum" sized cartridge is a modern abomination.

What is wrong and looks off is the barrel profile and taper. The Mauser barrel suppliers need to pull their accounting heads in and allow Rigby to use more appropriate barrels, profiles and tapers.

As for the stock shape, I would have to put it up alongside their existing Highland Stalker rifles/ To see if it is any different. My guess it will not be at all. And the Highland Stalker with a shorter maybe different barrel profile looked fine, was complemented on NE quite a bit. And a great commercial success.

https://www.johnrigbyandco.com/wp-content/uploads/Highland-Stalker-300wm-scaled.jpg

A .300 Win Mag? Well that is now a "classic". Yep a .300 H&H Mag would be a nice idea, if you want one, order it with a custom chambering. Commercially the H&H choice would not be successful.





I think you're on it when you say it's the profile. I've compared photos of original stalkers, Rigby, Ross, et al, and their barrel length is comparable, if not longer. The unduly heavy profile (for a .30 of any type) would be more in keeping with a DG round, and those we tend to see in shorter lengths, both for ballistics and handiness in close quarters. Some peoples' first reaction is, "The barrel's too long." Some of us see it as too heavy. The lack of a front sight only emphasizes this.

I still think it looks like a (very refined!) hardware store goose gun.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: vykkagur]
      #348345 - 23/12/20 04:21 AM

I agree with the criticism on barrel profile.
No problem with the length, for the caliber length is your friend.
It looks clubby. My eye wants to see more taper to the muzzle.
I'd also like to see a set of sights.


The stock doesn't look right to me either. The forend could be a bit longer and it could start slimming sooner back by the magazine.
I don't like the bag grip.
Also the transitions of the contours look a bit buffed to me, could be more crisp.



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Re: Maybe not [Re: vykkagur]
      #348346 - 23/12/20 04:41 AM

Quote:

It looks like a bolt-action shotgun.

The text should read: "...VERY heavy sporter profile barrel."



I agree with that statement (the first one).
The barrel is too heavy for a stalking rifle calibre. I also think the calibre is wrong for a stalking rifle. 7x57, 7x64,
.280 Rem. something like that would have been much better, even a 30/06 or .300 H&H.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: DarylS]
      #348367 - 23/12/20 01:43 PM

Quote:

I also think the calibre is wrong for a stalking rifle. 7x57, 7x64, .280 Rem. something like that would have been much better, even a 30/06 or .300 H&H.



There is the standard Highland Stalker, Daryl. It has been around for several years. This is the NEW magnum model, newly introduced.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: NitroX]
      #348368 - 23/12/20 02:05 PM

Well, not my cup-of-tea, but I'm sure someone will like it.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: DarylS]
      #348373 - 23/12/20 02:15 PM

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Well, not mu cup-of-tea, but I'm sure someone will like it.


Whom ever likes it will like it well enough to shell out $20 Grand USD..... (for a Blazer influenced ugly duckling?) Phhhhttt...

A thought:
Perhaps this rifle is meant to appeal not to those of us that appreciate and expect fine classic firearms from an historic London "Best Gun" maker........
....maybe targeted at the "post-millennial arriviste" that knows not....you know, the Courvoisier and Coke type that will mount a 4x24 50mm scope vs those of us that appreciate a fine Single Malt. (God, I hope they aren't YOUR kids!)

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Re: Maybe not [Re: 3DogMike]
      #348394 - 24/12/20 12:44 AM

It does not look right without open sights, and the barrel profile, while good for accurate shooting just does not fit. 20 grand?
I guess the quality is there, but I'd rather have a nice Mauser Sporter in 7x64 or 30-06 for this kind of job.

Edited by Woldan (24/12/20 12:44 AM)

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Re: Maybe not [Re: Marrakai]
      #349199 - 13/01/21 07:34 AM

Quote:

Agree Graeme. The lines are not particularly pleasing to my eye either, but I'm guessing it will be a marketing success nonetheless.

If I was to own a .300 Win Mag, I'd be much happier with an old Ruger M77 Mk.II...
...for a twentieth of the price!



Gidday Tony. Yeah, I must be getting old and cranky.....can't stand all this "change for the sake of change" and "continuous improvement" especially when it pertains to classic British hunting rifles

I recently decided to get into a long range setup as the whole long range hunting and shooting subject intrigues me. I went with a budget setup.....a Bergara Wilderness Hunter in 300 WM. All up cost for rifle, scope and mounts will be under 3K. Should be fun

All the best.

GG

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Re: Maybe not [Re: GG375]
      #349226 - 13/01/21 11:14 PM

Barrel profile looks like a Rem 700; what do they say about imitation and flattery.......

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Re: Maybe not [Re: prairie_ghost]
      #349920 - 02/02/21 01:02 PM

just missing the bipod and the boss muzzle brake. you spend 20k to look like everyone else. or do you? 300 win mag? if your going to build an american caliber rifle that looks like an american rifle 300 ultra mag. is it otherwise you might get one upped around the campfire by some dude with a 700 remington with a pac-nor barrel screwed in it.long range dudes are like duck hunters to shotguns they don't care how it looks as long as u can bark a squirrel at thousand yards or in the case of duck hunters how good a paddle it makes

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