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Unusual Remington Model 30
      #348177 - 20/12/20 01:38 PM

I recently picked up a mysterious and interesting Remington Model 30 in .30-06 (post election trauma) and will post a few photos as soon as i can. In the meantime I am hoping one of the members might know something about the rifle.

The rifle is built on a standard early Remington 30 Express 24" barreled action. The Remington markings on the top and sides of the barrel (all standard) are the only markings in metal on the gun. The stock is a nicely shaped and checkered piece of dark walnut with cheekpiece, vintage solid red Nostoc recoil pad and horn forend. There is a high quality bolt peep sight attached - no brand markings anywhere on the sight. There is a vacant and tarnished gold oval on the underside of the buttstock. The rifle has a 7/8" diameter 2.75 power Leupold Alaskan mounted low and tight in high quality mounts (unmarked). There are sling swivels and a Whelen type sling, also unmarked. The most intriguing thing, though, is the pistol grip hard rubber cap which is marked "Parker Bros, Meriden, CT". Overall it's a pleasing looking 1930's rifle.

My preliminary take is that this is a Remington rifle restocked and customized by a pretty good gunsmith in the 1930's. (The Leupold Alaskan had to have been added later though as that scope was manufactured only in the year 1990 according to what I've read - perhaps the 7/8" mounts originally held a Lyman Alaskan or other scope) I haven't yet taken the gun apart so there may be other markings.

The Parker Bros thing is interesting. Parker Bros fell on hard times during the Great Depression and were acquired by Remington in 1934. I think this rifle might be the work of Remington or Parker Bros gunsmiths doing a little weekend freelance work in the manner of the Griffin and Howe "depression sporters". Or it could have been a Parker Bros rifle made for sale. But - I can find no evidence that Parker Bros ever made anything other than shotguns.

Many thanks for any information.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348196 - 20/12/20 11:23 PM

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The Remington markings on the top and sides of the barrel (all standard) are the only markings in metal on the gun.




You'll soon be inundated with a parade of posts to tell you that we need pictures, which would help. Without those, there is one question I can think to ask: Are there NO markings whatsoever on the receiver? Although I'm a long-time Enfield enthusiast, I've never actually held a 30 in my hands, oddly enough. My knowledge of the 30 is far from extensive. However, every picture I've ever seen shows Remington markings on the receiver. Any possibility that this is a well-built Enfield custom made using a Remington 30 barrel?

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: vykkagur]
      #348250 - 21/12/20 11:48 AM

Have you taken the stock off? Are there markings covered by the wood? Where is the serial number?

Yes pictures please. I was looking for Rem 30's for my wildcats but settled for the M17 actions- not that I am complaining.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: Rule303]
      #348251 - 21/12/20 11:58 AM

I'm standing by for photos

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #348255 - 21/12/20 01:03 PM

Thanks for the responses.

I've uploaded 13 photos which I think should be accessible through the link below. If not please advise. The photos were taken with an iphone 6 and have not been cropped, edited etc. Not the best photos.

https://mystuff.bublup.com/mybublup/#/mystuff/001-f-0f24a58a-824f-4e6d-86cc-967bc35bed3b/mixed

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348256 - 21/12/20 01:09 PM

That link leads to a page asking for a login

Perhaps you need to make these images public

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #348260 - 21/12/20 02:50 PM

It won't even let me get to the login page. It refuses to allow my browser and tells me to use a different one. The nerve!

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: vykkagur]
      #348273 - 21/12/20 11:54 PM

I've tried copying shareable links for the individual photos. Let's see if that works.



https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-9dec9d9a-daff-49e0-af78-e4acc8b61a28


https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-2f57ac1b-7f97-4eab-bad2-c085c10b4f2d




https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-6a3623a2-ee9e-474b-951e-4880876a83f9




https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-41781e01-2c71-46bb-b710-0108292ceae7




https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-6f717dbb-7089-4966-bc82-679ca3414d41




https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-59e2c463-e7e6-406c-bc81-eedeab5e19be




https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-ad604700-39c3-495e-8907-7ce327d16a01
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-9fd2917a-f9c4-4265-b8c4-563a4143caa5
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-0d180cd0-dca3-4464-9c0b-414a8903a148
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-67230c0c-82f4-4317-b93c-7296cb9cefcb
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-8986ff89-80f9-458b-aa9f-031f08725fa5
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-64bb8707-c725-49b5-a80a-7b6fc74982f3





Edited by NitroX (03/06/21 04:34 PM)

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348279 - 22/12/20 01:21 AM

Nice rifle. What is attached to the rear ring. Is that a case extraction aid?

https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-2f57ac1b-7f97-4eab-bad2-c085c10b4f2d

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: jgrabow]
      #348280 - 22/12/20 01:28 AM

Hi jgrabow

I don't know what that is - it was one of the questions I hoped would be answered. How does a case extraction ring work?

Also, you'll notice a little chunk of wood missing behind the safety. It appears to have been partly covered with epoxy. I may try to repair this myself (carefully) with a walnut scrap.

It looks like someone bedded the barrel as there are little bits of epoxy visible in places. I haven't taken the rifle apart yet.

thanks

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348285 - 22/12/20 03:59 AM

That device on the right side of the rear ring, appears to have a little nubbin that assists in preventing inadvertent bolt opening.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348298 - 22/12/20 09:24 AM

Quote:

I've tried copying shareable links for the individual photos. Let's see if that works.


https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-9dec9d9a-daff-49e0-af78-e4acc8b61a28
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-2f57ac1b-7f97-4eab-bad2-c085c10b4f2d
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-6a3623a2-ee9e-474b-951e-4880876a83f9
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-41781e01-2c71-46bb-b710-0108292ceae7
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-6f717dbb-7089-4966-bc82-679ca3414d41
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-59e2c463-e7e6-406c-bc81-eedeab5e19be
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-ad604700-39c3-495e-8907-7ce327d16a01
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-9fd2917a-f9c4-4265-b8c4-563a4143caa5
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-0d180cd0-dca3-4464-9c0b-414a8903a148
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-67230c0c-82f4-4317-b93c-7296cb9cefcb
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-8986ff89-80f9-458b-aa9f-031f08725fa5
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-64bb8707-c725-49b5-a80a-7b6fc74982f3




Appreciate the effort, but anything from "bublup.com" cannot be accessed from my computer, it seems. But thanks anyway. I'll leave it to the many capable minds already on the case.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: vykkagur]
      #348304 - 22/12/20 11:41 AM

Sorry about that vykkagur. Maybe one of the IT savvy folks on the forum can do something with the photos. The only time I ever even think about uploading photos is every two or three years when I need to upload a gun photo for this forum. I tried using my old photobucket account but that didn't work, so I did a search for free photo uploads and this thing is what "bubbled up".

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: DarylS]
      #348305 - 22/12/20 12:09 PM

Quote:

That device on the right side of the rear ring, appears to have a little nubbin that assists in preventing inadvertent bolt opening.



That's what I thought - or maybe just to hold the bolt a little more snugly? It seems unnecessary and I have not seen one on any other rifle. Maybe it's a clue to the maker's identity - something lying around the shop at Remington/Parker? Too bad Michael Petrov is no longer with us.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348306 - 22/12/20 01:33 PM

Quote:

Sorry about that vykkagur. Maybe one of the IT savvy folks on the forum can do something with the photos...





I'm guessing that this bubble up app will die in a ditch very soon.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #348307 - 22/12/20 01:35 PM



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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #348308 - 22/12/20 01:54 PM

Tinker many thanks for the assist.

As for this rifle, I don't discount the possibility that it may be the work of a hobbyist - either originally or by way of later modifications.

The tapering of the forend doesn't seem very 1930's and even reminds me of some David Lloyd rifles.

I'll take it apart this weekend and see if I can find anything useful.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348309 - 22/12/20 02:06 PM

You are welcome



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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #348310 - 22/12/20 02:07 PM

Is there a trade mark on that front sight?

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #348311 - 22/12/20 02:11 PM



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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #348326 - 22/12/20 11:42 PM

Its a pity someone with lots of money and style does not buy Parker Bros and establish an "English style" shotgun, double rifle and bolt action brand and make of great class.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: NitroX]
      #348328 - 22/12/20 11:50 PM

Wonderful old rifle you have there mckinney!
I love those old "Enfield" sporters, the Remington 30 I believe was the best in that you didn't have to modify a p14 or M17 to have that huge action to play with in whatever calibre that you preferred to rebarrel to.
Lucky bugger, but no I'd keep this one as is, it would be a crime to redo this old girl now.
Absolutely wonderful to see one in frankly very good nick - very jealous indeed!
Cheers

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #348348 - 23/12/20 05:02 AM

My old hunting buddy Keith, loves the P14's and model 1917 actions. Both his 6.5x68S and 8x68S Magnum chamberings on on these rifle actions, as well as a .303 chambering with a .308" groove diameter barrel, for shooting 220gr. Hornadys.
(PS) that rifle loves 150gr. Hornady Interbonds @ 2,750fps - of all things.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: DarylS]
      #348392 - 24/12/20 12:22 AM

Tinker

Unfortunately no markings at all on the front sight or the bolt peep sight. There is a mark like the letter "T" on the front scope mount base.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #348393 - 24/12/20 12:32 AM

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Wonderful old rifle you have there mckinney!
I love those old "Enfield" sporters, the Remington 30 I believe was the best in that you didn't have to modify a p14 or M17 to have that huge action to play with in whatever calibre that you preferred to rebarrel to.
Lucky bugger, but no I'd keep this one as is, it would be a crime to redo this old girl now.
Absolutely wonderful to see one in frankly very good nick - very jealous indeed!
Cheers



many thanks 9.3

I also love these old rifles, including the factory Remington 30 and 30-S. (Still searching for a 30-S in .35 Remington:)

I agree about not redoing it. I've finally come around to the view that redoing these old rifles is almost never a good idea (after having had a few professionally redone). I'd like to get that missing chip of wood around the tang/safety repaired though.

best Christmas wishes

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