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Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle
      #245999 - 19/04/14 12:07 AM

probably new for your lee speed collectors a Whitworth Rifle Company , Manchester made lee enfield hunting rifle in 8x58R Danish











"cal 8x58RD (Danish Krag M/89) made in England on the basis of a british SMLE which was changed in appearance to a hunting rifle and chamered to the old danish caliber 8x58RD. It is not known how many where converted, but an estimate of 500 pcs should be quite right. The rifles where marketed on Greenland around 1960-1970. The rifle is very good and desireable, with a bright barrel, and beautiful appearance."
offered by Bisgaard&Nielsen in Denmark

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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: lancaster]
      #246001 - 19/04/14 02:21 AM

Interesting.

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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #246071 - 21/04/14 04:49 AM

anyone know the "Whitworth Rifle Company , Manchester"?
cant remmeber this name

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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: lancaster]
      #246086 - 21/04/14 09:31 AM

Whitworth Rifle Co. Ltd. Manchester, 1860 - 1862 Sales outlet for Joseph Whitworth, sales taken over by Whitworth Rifle co Ltd and other related companies but nothing later that 1886 (British Gunmakers Vol 2 Birmingham, Scotland and the Regions by Nigel Brown)
too early for this rifle

I would hazard a guess that the name was bought? or taken over by possibly a retail outlet who bought this very nice rifle from BSA and had their [famous] name put on it, unless one of the (Joseph) Whitworth companies continued to trade and did the same

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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: TH44]
      #246103 - 21/04/14 02:52 PM

Do you mean as compared to the many Whitworth rifles in existence? ie a specific "Whitworth Rifle Company , Manchester"?

If it is not specific to a "Whitworth Rifle Company , Manchester" (?) a search will show many references to "Whitworth" on the forums - muzzle loaders, various M98 actioned "Whitworths". I myself have a Whitworth .375.

I do not know if it is particular related to a "Whitworth Rifle Company , Manchester" but assume that would be the same, even if just a "brand name" later on. That .303 would be similar too, ie just a re-branded rifle made by someone else (?).

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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #246105 - 21/04/14 03:11 PM

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various M98 actioned "Whitworths". I myself have a Whitworth .375.

I do not know if it is particular related to a "Whitworth Rifle Company , Manchester" but assume that would be the same, even if just a "brand name" later on. That .303 would be similar too, ie just a re-branded rifle made by someone else (?).




did a little google search

"Bolt-action sporting rifles in various popular calibers carrying the Whitworth name were made from the late 1960s to 1997. The information I have indicates they were assembled at Manchester, England until 1980, using Mark X Mauser-type actions imported from Yugoslavia. After 1980 the complete rifles were made in Yugoslavia. Some models still carried the Whitworth name but were marked as made in Yugoslavia rather than at Manchester.
I’ve also heard of Whitworth rifles made at Manchester using military surplus model 1917 “Enfield” actions, but have never seen one, even in pictures.

Your rifle appears to have been made at Manchester and the markings you mention are British proof marks. I don’t know what action your rifle has, but if it is the Mark X action it would be a Mauser type with a swept-back bolt handle. Also, 1917 actions had a dogleg bolt handle.

From about 1970 to 1997 Interarms imported these rifles into the US with various model names such as Viscount, Cavalier, and Whitworth Express. They are considered to be good quality hunting rifles comparable to popular US made bolt-action hunting rifles. The current Blue Book suggests values of $375 to $475 for 100 per cent condition Mark X Whitworth rifles made in Yugoslavia, and a “slight premium” for those made in England. There is no particular collector interest at this time and their value is as well made sporting rifles. —Dave Anderson"

http://www.westernsportsman.com/faqs/q-w...you-may-be-abl/



when remembering british traditions there can be no doubt that someone had or bought the Whitworth firm in the 1960 and use it only for trade or also for making some guns.



http://www.peterdyson.co.uk/acatalog/TRADE-LABELS-BRITISH-1.html

it seems they made or marketed ( made in Birmingham?) also some better quality express rifles like this 404


















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*WHITWORTH MAUSER ACTION CUSTOM 404 JEFFERY RIFLE. SN A284051. Cal. 404 Jeffery. 23″ Tapered round bbl has one standing, three folding leaf express sight marked for 100, 200, and 300 yards, dovetailed through island base. Sleeved-on matted front ramp is fitted with gold bead front sight with pop-up porcelain night bead. Knurled steel sight cover is fitted. Sling loop is soldered to bottom of bbl. Whitworth marked Interarms “CZ” action with Virginia and Manchester England addresses, has engine turned bolt body and extractor. Standard bottom metal with hinged floorplate and button release in bow, has had floorplate engraved with well cut shaded scroll, and with silver wire inlay framing savanna scene with large silver inlaid charging rhino. Classically styled custom stock appears to be figured mesquite, and measures 13-3/8″ over black “Old English” rifle pad. Rifle features large right hand cheekpiece, nicely cut 28 LPI borderless point pattern checkering, hard rubber forend tip, and engraved steel grip cap with monogram “WC” relief inlaid in gold. Drop at heel: Approx 2-1/4″, drop at comb: approx 1-3/4″. Weight: 8 lbs. 4 oz, LOP 13-3/8″. CONDITION: Excellent, as built with only a few minor marks in wood, and compression in left side forend checkering. Bore is excellent. 404 Jeffery is one of the most highly regarded big game cartridges of all time. 4-41131 MGM55 (1,000-1,500) "
http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-1106-whitworth-mauser-action-custom-404-jeffery-rifle-41131/
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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: lancaster]
      #246108 - 21/04/14 04:16 PM

Just spent the last hour or so finding the same information!!

Interarms appear to have got the name, although the address in Manchester was a warehouse

The barrels were almost certainly made in Birmingham possibly by Parker-Hale? Although I am not sure if B.S.A were involved at that time

Must get some sleep

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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: TH44]
      #246123 - 21/04/14 11:37 PM

I think you are right about Sam Cummings Interarms and the Interarms warehouse in the Dawsen street in Manchester. there can be no doubt that Interarms owns Whitworth than and with Cummings connections everywhere it was this firm in the end making and trading sporting rifles in the US and other countrys.

remember seeing a dokumentary film about Cummings and his warehouse stocked with guns when I was a boy. it was impressive when he was shooting a german MG 42 he had collect in the Normandy in 1946 on the indoor range in the basement of this house.
Cummings was very intelligent but absolutly stingy and never throw anything away. Interarms was probably the reincarnation of the old Bannermanns warehouse and used anything or wait for the moment it can be used again.

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Edited by lancaster (22/04/14 03:26 AM)


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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: lancaster]
      #246184 - 22/04/14 01:39 PM

This would make a good light, handy stalking rifle.

Looks to be in good condition. The rear sight appears to be newish.


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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: Rule303]
      #246247 - 23/04/14 09:29 AM

The Whitworth .404 pictured above is a good thing indeed, but we are left wondering about the wood-to-metal fit on that monogrammed grip-cap.....

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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: Marrakai]
      #246276 - 23/04/14 05:01 PM

From recollection the Whitworths sold in Oz from the 60's were at the lower end of the scale.

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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: kamilaroi]
      #257741 - 12/12/14 03:49 AM

when looking for 8x58R brass find another Whitworth/Interarms Greenland rifle for sale in Denmark










336 euro - http://www.guloggratis.dk/samlerobjekter...hitworth-riffel

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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: lancaster]
      #257745 - 12/12/14 08:22 AM

Hi All,
Back in the 90's I had a Whitworth 404 in a plain grade that I eventually traded off to a Northern Territory dealer for a gunsmithing job. It was just a plain grade 98 Mauser action. The Whitworth name was on the barrel only. The action wasn't finished as well as the Mark 10's of the time but worked reliably if I remember correctly.
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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: LesLeeSpeed]
      #258860 - 10/01/15 12:51 AM

Evidently they were using surplus actions- the "S" indicates Savage.
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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: gungadoug]
      #259150 - 18/01/15 09:25 AM

I owned a Whitworth .375H&H Mag for a while way back in the day. It was marked Interarms and Mark X. It had the Whitworth/Manchester and Made in Yugoslavia markings both. They used a standard commercial Yugo 98 action and opened both the magazine and the receiver to fit a .375 length cartridge. The gun was of what I would call average over the counter quality. The action could have used smoothing up some. It had a very nicely grained walnut stock with oil finish, but the cheek was sharp and thin and the whole rifle only weighed in the 7 .lbs range. Bucked like mule. Interarms did a lot of squirrely stuff in the 70's/80's as I remember it. They definitely put together many sporterized military rifles for sale here in the US on Pattern14/17, No.1s, No.4s, and Mausers.

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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: Norman4]
      #259166 - 19/01/15 02:09 AM

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Interarms did a lot of squirrely stuff in the 70's/80's as I remember it. They definitely put together many sporterized military rifles for sale here in the US on Pattern14/17, No.1s, No.4s, and Mausers.




I have some fond memories connected with the Interarms retail outlet in Alexandria, VA., Ye Olde Hunter. In 1963 I was stationed at Quantico and made several trips to the store. At the time, you could choose between a double heat treated Springfield 1903, a WWII Walther P-38, and a WWII Mauser HsC, for $35.00 each. Unable to choose, I bought all three. I still have the Springfield. I traded the P-38 for a nice S&W Model 27 and the HsC for an M-3 Grease Gun (in Vietnam). I still have the S&W, but the Grease Gun was traded for an M1 Thompson. $35.00 would go a long way in those days.


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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: xausa]
      #315899 - 01/05/18 09:11 PM



cummings with a whiteworth mauser in his hands

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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: lancaster]
      #315910 - 01/05/18 11:13 PM

I have a custom at home built with this action..will have to take a few pics and post them..

Chambered in .416 Rem.. naturally...

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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: lancaster]
      #336728 - 18/01/20 03:00 AM

another one of the whitworth greenland enfields in 8x58RD











http://bisgaardnielsen.dk/shop/460-rifle...liber-8x58rd89/

for 335 euro a bargain

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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: lancaster]
      #348030 - 17/12/20 07:14 AM

another 1970s made Whitworth Rifle Company lee enfield sporting rifle for sale but now in 303 brit.
http://de.bisgaardnielsen.dk/shop/460-ri...nte-jagdbuchse/









and a 1970s british made sporter
















http://de.bisgaardnielsen.dk/shop/460-rifler-og-gevaerer/12366-britische-jagdbuchse/

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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: lancaster]
      #348042 - 17/12/20 01:37 PM

Not a bad looking .303, I’d have it.
....and with one hell of a profusion of proof marks!
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Re: Whitworth Greenland hunting rifle [Re: 3DogMike]
      #348059 - 18/12/20 04:45 AM

thats another rifle

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