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The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges
      #347231 - 27/11/20 04:40 PM

The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges
By Philip Massaro -November 18, 2020

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: NitroX]
      #347233 - 27/11/20 05:06 PM

I know this feeling.
I love the old and often obscure cartridges.


Although not terribly obscure, I've been chasing joy via cast bullets in the 30-40 Krag these past few weeks.

Always a lesson to learn.

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: tinker]
      #347236 - 27/11/20 11:17 PM

It certainly is
.308Norma Magnum & 9.3x64mm Brenneke are my standouts.
It all honesty most 'big bores' would be considered 'obscure' so we could certainly add a lot more to this list!

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: 93x64mm]
      #347243 - 28/11/20 04:08 AM

A nice promotional article for Roberson. I have seen several.

I have also talked with Roberson recently about making brass.

Still I haven't seen anyone yet reporting actual use. Load development and reloading experience with Roberson brass.

Turned brass has some issues due to its different molecular structure. Turned brass is hard and brittle. Annealing doesn't help. Turned brass has a propensity for longitudinal body splits.

Turned brass has normally only had a cylindrical interior. Turned brass in a bottle neck cartridge was straight interior. A .308 Norma mag with a straight interior is not a .308 Norma Mag.

I have 5 GS Custom Martini Cases here. They have a straight cylinder interior.

The 577/450 Martini brass I had from North Devon had a bottle neck. But the brass from them broke the 7/8-14 sizing dies, and when sized with Lee dies tore the rims off.


When I talked to Roberson they said these issues have been addressed.

Roberson has a 50 case minimum. I understand the reasoning for that. but at $430 with tax and shipping I don't see a line forming for this brass.

I may dig out my .411 Barnes and send them a chamber cast and some fired brass. I make that brass from .375 H&H brass.

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: DoubleD]
      #347248 - 28/11/20 04:53 AM

Maybe an example of why I like my .405 WCF and .45-90 over many more modern and popular cartridges.
Both can be lever action and double rifle and handloaded to take anything walking the globe.

Some might consider me eccentric.

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: crshelton]
      #347257 - 28/11/20 07:04 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Thanks for sharing NitroX.
I read this on Facebook and I agree, some of these older obscure cartriges, are great.
It kinda makes you wonder, why they have dropped off in popularity.
Ammunition availability I assume, in the past, caused this but no excuses these days, thanks to Bertram and Woodleigh.

I know of an original WR made, .318 Accelerated Express, that has been rebarred (Tobler), and refurbished by Ross Waghorn, that is For Sale, if anybody really needs a good one.

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: Homer]
      #347260 - 28/11/20 11:43 AM

Obscure? Hell, that's one of the reasons I like this forum.
One gets to see and read about these "obscure" calibers being put to good use.
"Abnormality is the normality at this locality"!

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #347264 - 28/11/20 11:56 AM

Quote:

Obscure? Hell, that's one of the reasons I like this forum.
One gets to see and read about these "obscure" calibers being put to good use.
"Abnormality is the normality at this locality"!



Absolutely! My thoughts exactly.

Life is too short to shoot a boring rifle.

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: Homer]
      #347265 - 28/11/20 11:59 AM

Quote:


I know of an original WR made, .318 Accelerated Express, that has been rebarred (Tobler), and refurbished by Ross Waghorn, that is For Sale, if anybody really needs a good one.



Create a thread in the Mauser rifles forums. Photos and description.

If you have already, post a link here.

I would be interested. No doubt can't afford it currently.

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: NitroX]
      #349366 - 17/01/21 04:24 PM

The ones I shoot that come closest to "obscure" in the Rocky Mountains are:
6.5X54 M/S
9.3X57 Mauser
9.3X74R
Some men and women say "never heard of that' when I tell them the caliber of these rifles.

The ones I shoot that I can't call Obscure, but are not at all "mainstream" anymore are:
222 Remington
300 Savage
303 Brit
8X57 Mauser
35 Remington
358 Winchester
404 Jeffery.
These are shells that everyone has heard of but they don't see used much these days and it's a bit odd to see someone using one.


I call a cartridge "mainstream" or "run of the mill" when if you tell someone what you have they don't see anything even slightly odd about the choice

My "run of the mill shells" are:
223
25-06
270 Winchester
6.8SPC
30-30
308
30-06
7.62X39
9.3X62
375H&H

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: szihn]
      #349381 - 18/01/21 04:50 AM

Just as with Steve's post above I mostly have, over the years, been attracted to obscure/obsolete as well as "not at all mainstream":
.242 Express (.242 Vickers, .242 Manton)
.303 Brit
.32-40 WCF
.38-55 WCF
.38-72 WCF
.375 2 1/2" Flanged NE.40-65 WCF
.40-82 WCF
.40-63 Ballard
.405 WCF
.40-90 Sharps Bottleneck
.45-70 Govt
.45-75 WCF
.45 2 7/8" Sharps
.450/.400 3" Jeffery
.404 Jeffery
.450 BP Express
.500/.450 #1 Express
.500/.450 3 1/4" Nitro
.470 Nitro Express
.50 2 1/2 Sharps
.500 AHR
.500 3" BP Express
.577/.450 Martini Henry
.577/.500 #2 Express
.577 2 3/4", 3", & 3 1/4" Express
12 Bore rifle
8 Bore rifle

Metric?
.256 Mannlicher (6.5x53R)
.256 Rimless (6.5x54)
9.3x62
9.3x74
11.2x72


Oh yea: I do have a couple of "mainstream": .30-06, .338 Min Mag, & .375 H&H

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: 3DogMike]
      #349382 - 18/01/21 05:06 AM

I can add

.45 1.9 (.45/60)
.50/95
8.15x47R
9.3x57

+ a few wildcats

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: DarylS]
      #349404 - 18/01/21 03:43 PM

Probably not too many load for the 20-bore/.577 but my Alexander Henry double ULH gets warmed up every now and again.

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: Marrakai]
      #349407 - 18/01/21 05:22 PM

Quote:

Probably not too many load for the 20-bore/.577 but my Alexander Henry double ULH gets warmed up every now and again.



I think I have seen at least two others, maybe even on this forum! So you are not unique in this world, mate.

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: NitroX]
      #349411 - 18/01/21 07:33 PM

For Australia. I have not used all of them or some of them a lot. Most used marked with an asterix.


My most common choices:

.223 *
.30-06 *
.308 *
6.5x55
.22 RF *
.22 RF Mag *
12 bore *
.410 *

Not as commonly used now.

.222 *
.303 *
.375 H&H Mag *

Relatively obscure

7x65R
.45/70
.58 BP ML

Obscure

.222 Rimmed
.297/250
6.5x53R
6.5x54
6.5x65
8X56
8x68S *
8 mm Hungarian (probably)
9.3x74R *
9.5X57
.404 *
.577/450
.450 No.2 NE *
.500 BPE (probably)
10-bore

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: NitroX]
      #357709 - 29/10/21 03:01 PM

As a new member I will add my list

Modern
6.5 x 68 Schuler (in a bargain buy post 64 Model 70 with new Walther Barrel)
32 Miller Short Ruger No.3 Lead Bullets
.17 Ackley Hornet (last the Mouse Express Cartridges)
.300 Blackout Rimmed (new project for a lead bullet 1885 Low Wall)
.22 CCM
25-303

Oder and in Black Powder
25-20 Single Shot
8.15 x 46R
9.5 x 47R
32/40
38/56
8 x 57R
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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: CharlesHunter]
      #357718 - 30/10/21 02:17 AM

22 Jet (Never had a problem with the cartridge backing out & locking up the pistol)
256 Newton
6.5x54 MS
280 Ross (fun cartridge but since sold rifle)
300 Rook (interesting little gun plagued by odd size bullet)
30 Newton
8x58.5R Sauer
8x57/360 (another interesting cartridge, since sold the drilling)
8x72R (nice round for a kipplauf)
8x57JR
360BPE
9.0x72R (wonderful Kipplauf round for southern whitetail deer)
357 Auto Mag
9.3x72R
9.5x56 MS
450/400BPE 3 1/4"
44 Auto Mag (Company in SC is now producing new & improved Auto Mags)
10.5x60 Collath
11.15x47R
11.15x60R (still have problems getting my Sauer RD to regulate, maybe opportunities to continue experimenting)
450 BPE 3 1/4"
500/450BPE 3 1/4"
500/450 #1 Express
500/450#2
500 BPE 3"

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: 85lc]
      #357719 - 30/10/21 02:41 AM

Mine, cartridges I shoot and load
Common in Germany:
.222 Rem
.308 Win
.30-06
6.5x55SE
7x57
7x57R
8x57IRS
9.3x62
9.3x74R

Uncommon to rare, but available sometimes:
6.5x52R aka .25-35 Winchester
6.5x54 Mannlicher – Schoenauer
6.5x68
.303 British
8x57 I
8x60 S
.35 Remington
.416 Rigby
.45-70 Govt.

Obscure and out of print:
6.5x54 Mauser kurz
6.5x53R Mannlicher
7x72R
8x57R.360
9x56 Mannl.-Schoen.
9x57
9.3x53R Swiss
9.5x57 M-Sch aka .375 Rimless Nitro Express
10.75x63
.500-450 #1 BPE
.500 3” BPE

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: kuduae]
      #357721 - 30/10/21 05:00 AM

Currently, I have 42 sets of reloading dies. I've used all of them over the years, however am currently only using 15.

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: DarylS]
      #357759 - 31/10/21 10:59 PM

I recently had SAFARIARMS make me a box of RIGBY 350 MAGNUM 250 GRAIN I haven't even found a 350 that I want to buy yet ,,sort of put the cart before the horse style !!...Paul

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: crshelton]
      #357760 - 01/11/21 12:04 AM

Quote:

Maybe an example of why I like my .405 WCF .......


I agree! My 405 Win:

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: LRF]
      #357764 - 01/11/21 04:49 AM

Since we are on the .405 WCF, here are two that I load and shoot, and hunt with:
Winchester 1895 TD .405 recently Magnaported;




Simson Suhl .405 DR and red deer:


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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: crshelton]
      #357766 - 01/11/21 05:02 AM

Another rather rare cartridge- the .Winchester 45-90 (.458 2.4 ) with 96 % cartridge capacity of Winchester .458 Win Mag. Also shoots .45-70.

Using solid bullets custom loaded to 2150 fps MV, took this ele, several Cape Buff, and with Nosler PP at 2200 fps, this leopard:



Confession - part of the pleasure of shooting these not common cartridges is showing what they can still do in the field.

Edited by crshelton (01/11/21 05:06 AM)

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: crshelton]
      #359113 - 12/12/21 03:49 PM

These are the ones I have owned and shot or loaded for.
22LR
22 Hornet
222 Rem
222 JDJ
222 Improved
223
22-250
240 H&H mag
243 Win
243 Improved
6mm Rem
270
280 Ross
280 Fl
7x57
6.5x53R
6.5 MS
256 Gibbs Mag
300 Win
300 H&H
308
30-06
303 British
318 Westley Richards
338-303 Wildcat
35/318 Wildcat
338 Win
338-378 Weatherby
375 H&H
375 2.5”
375 Westley Richards
8x50
8x56
375 Rimless
416 Rigby
416 Rem
8.15x46R
404 Jeffery
450 3 1/4”
470 Nitro
450 #2 Nitro
475 #2 Nitro
475 Linebaugh
500 Linebaugh
500 3 1/4”
50 Alaskan
50 Sharps
45-120 Sharps
375 JDJ
309 JDJ
44 Mag
45 Colt
6.5 JDJ
495 A Square
505 Gibbs
350 Rigby
500-450 #1
577 Snider
300 Rook
360 #5
297-250
585 Nyati
577 Nitro
20/577
600 JDJ
12 bore
10 bore
8 bore
4 bore
14 bore
50 BMG
45 Auto
500 S&W
I’m sure that I have missed some .

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Re: The Rare Pleasure Of Obscure Cartridges [Re: georgegibbs505]
      #360683 - 19/01/22 09:43 AM

I think its very difficult in this forum to mention anything obscure caliber. Its just standard in here.

I have had many oddball calibers over the years. List is too long.

My current semi obscure calibers is:

.333Jeffery
.500 BPE
.360ex 2¼"
10 bore


My standard are:

8x57
.300 H&H
.270Wea
.450 Nitro

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