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vykkagur
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M-S in celebrity hunt
      #345910 - 18/10/20 08:27 AM

This item just popped up on last nights' news:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundl...dland-1.5755497

Sorry I can't just post the pictures. He must have purchased the rifle in Canada, since he didn't come up here with the intention to hunt. I doubt that it was a loaner; that's definitely NOT a typical hunting rifle in Newfoundland! I'd love to know more about it, what caliber, where he got it, where it ended up, etc. I wonder if the current owner even knows?


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Re: M-S in celebrity hunt [Re: vykkagur]
      #345917 - 18/10/20 03:03 PM

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Sorry I can't just post the pictures.





'M-S in celebrity hunt' ?...
So, you're not saying that it's now legal to hunt celebrities with an MS?

I'm glad you linked the text with the pics, as it's rather interesting.

Here are some photos of John Huston with a pair of MS during 'on location' filming of The African Queen. It has been said that the reason he agreed to direct the film was so he could hunt elephant, though he never had before. His daughter, Angelica, has a ranch near here that she visits. If I ever run across her I'd like to ask if she, by chance, has his Mannlichers.


Huston (with MS), some fella named Bogart and 'Bogey's young wife, 'Betty' Bacall.


Cleaning time - note the two MS' alongside.



Detail of MS'
Per the film (and book) White Hunter, Black Heart, they were both 6.5mm (M1903). One is a stutzen (full stocked carbine), the other a half stocked rifle or, perhaps, a takedown.



Clint Eastwood portraying Huston in the film.
"I'll take a couple of these Mannlichers, the six - point - fives", says Eastwood as Huston.
Eastwood is holding a Takedown Model (forend pin is visible), perhaps with larger bore than 6.5mm.





Additional photos of MS with takedown pin more plainly visible, held by Eastwood and co star:







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Re: M-S in celebrity hunt [Re: vykkagur]
      #345918 - 18/10/20 03:29 PM

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Sorry I can't just post the pictures.




'Just the pictures' (from Vykkagur's linked article):













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Re: M-S in celebrity hunt [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #345920 - 18/10/20 04:37 PM

Found on the 'net, Color photos of the 1961 moose hunt: https://laststandonzombieisland.com/tag/johnny-cash-gun/







Another account of the hunt:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/mus...r-in-backwoods/

Taking up a position among some fallen trees, Johnny Cash raised his Mannlicher rifle to his shoulder and bolted a round into the chamber. The guide with binoculars said the animal some 200 metres away was a young cow – a female moose. Was Cash okay with that? “You can’t eat horns,” replied the singer-hunter.

The Folsom Prison Blues singer never shot a man in Reno, but he did bag a moose in Newfoundland.

It happened in the first days of October, 1961. Because the moose-tracking jaunt to a logging camp in Canada’s youngest province was underwritten by Field & Stream magazine, vivid professional photographs documenting the trip were made public. Two months ago, the masters of dozens of more pictures resurfaced. They represent the earliest known photographs taken of Cash and Saul Holiff, his manager from 1960 to 1973.

Holiff, who died in 2005, was a fast-talking Canadian concert promoter who arranged the moose hunt. At the time, Cash was at a low point, relatively, in his career. He had released his hit I Walk the Line back in 1956. His latest single, The Rebel – Johnny Yuma, was on the outside looking in on the Billboard Hot 100, at No. 108.

A week before the trip to Newfoundland, on Sept. 28, the singer had played a charity show at Toronto’s Massey Hall. His performance wasn’t strong. He apologized to the audience for his rough voice, citing laryngitis. Backstage, according to a report in The Globe and Mail, he nervously twisted and untwisted a white, ruffled shirt that was soaked with perspiration. He had a fondness for stimulants.

A few days later, Cash, Holiff and backup singer Rose Maddox flew from New York to Gander, N.L., where they met up with the rest of their party that included fiddler Gordon Terry, guitarist Luther Perkins and country and western great Merle Travis.

Piling into station wagons, they headed into the province’s western interior. They stocked up on groceries in Millertown before proceeding to a cabin as guests of a logging camp near Victoria Lake. With them was an American reporter-photographer and a local hunting guide, Heman Whalen.

Whalen was a wildlife management officer with the Department of Mines, Agriculture and Resources. Known as Newfoundland’s “moose whisperer,” he was Cash’s exclusive guide. They were both 29, each former air force men.

“He was the guy next door,” Whalen said of Cash, speaking to The Globe and Mail this week from St. John’s. “He was no freeloader, I tell you that. You get what you work for, he had that attitude.”

Cash was an accomplished rifleman who hunted for food, not sport. He took his moose down with one shot, through the lungs. Because the cow took off after being hit, Cash thought he’d missed his shot. Whalen told him to wait while he circled around to look for the animal.

“I found what I expected," recalled Whalen, “which was a dead moose.” The 500-pound beast yielded 300 pounds of first-rate meat.

At one point during the trip, Cash raced back to his wife and kids in California. A pack of coyotes in the neighbourhood of their new home was scaring the children. After checking in on his family, Cash flew back to Newfoundland.

At night in the cabin, after dinner and after the dishes were taken care of, the musicians would strum tunes and relax with adult beverages. “Merle Travis did a fair bit of singing,” said Whalen. “Johnny had laryngitis, but he did the best he could. And when Luther Perkins and Merle with his 12-string started playing I Walk the Line, everybody stopped to listen."

After the expedition, Cash gifted Whalen his hunting knife. It was a valuable keepsake that Whalen used all his life before recently giving the blade to his oldest son.

“Johnny Cash was a very respectable man,” said Whalen, whose favourite Cash record is Sunday Mornin' Coming Down. “He had talent. He loved to sing. And when he wasn’t singing, he was humming.”

The trip was historic musically, for it solidified the partnership between Cash and his new manager. The singer had presented the native of London, Ont., with a coffee-stained yellow legal pad. Scribbled on it was a list of the duties he expected Holiff to do for him. (Holiff would not be required to take a bullet for his famous client, but he did endure a nasty gash above his eye when his rifle recoiled during the moose shoot.)

The two shook hands on their deal. Holiff guaranteed Cash he’d have him in Carnegie Hall within a year. He made good on that promise when the comebacking country icon played the prestigious venue on May 10, 1962.

Though Cash had hoped to serve Newfoundland moose at the reception dinner for the Carnegie show, it wasn’t to be. Holiff supplied bison meat instead. But that’s another story.

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Re: M-S in celebrity hunt [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #345921 - 18/10/20 04:52 PM


Here is yet another account of the Johnny Cash moose hunt, from Gun World magazine, November 1969 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Ammo_World_1969_Hunting_with_Johnny_Cash_/5-748559/ .

* This may be missing the beginning of the article. Does anyone have a copy of the November, 1969 Gun World to check?:













You'll have to zoom in and squint a bit, but at least I got rid of the Photobucket 'redaction' by using the 'open link in new tab' command, then saving as jpg.

I wouldn't have known to look for these were it not for Vykkagur's OP. Perhaps we can 'hunt' some other celebrities' MS images?


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Re: M-S in celebrity hunt [Re: vykkagur]
      #345924 - 18/10/20 05:53 PM

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I'd love to know more about it, what caliber, where he got it, where it ended up, etc. I wonder if the current owner even knows?




The November, 1969 Gun World article posted above gives information.

Per the article, Cash carried a Mannlicher Schoenauer "Standard Carbine" with 20" barrel chambered for .30-'06 with double set triggers, wearing a Redfield 3-12 X variable scope on Redfield mounts in a stock with a "Monte Carlo hump" that was available through Stoeger at $219.95 "or so", but allowed that the double set trigger was an additional $10.

Images from 1962 Stoeger catalog of MC and MCA models:





MC (Monte Carlo) had a higher 'hump' than did the MCA (Monte Carlo 'all purpose').

Humps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJg4rwDkkBA

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Re: M-S in celebrity hunt [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #345941 - 19/10/20 12:20 AM

love those prices

greenshoots


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Re: M-S in celebrity hunt [Re: greenshoots]
      #345944 - 19/10/20 12:56 AM

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love those prices

greenshoots




Per https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ , that's $1,706.47 in 2020 $USD.

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Re: M-S in celebrity hunt [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #345951 - 19/10/20 03:19 AM

Thank you for all the work there, Rothhammer. I hadn't done much digging before I posted that, having just watched the newscast where it caught my eye. I was pretty surprised, frankly; not so much that Cash was a hunter, but that he would carry a full-stock Mannlicher with set triggers. I would have pegged him as a Winchester Model 70 with something gaudy, like a Guymon, stock. It just shows, never pre-judge a person. And thank you too, for the tip on getting rid of those Photo*uckit vandal's watermarks. I must give that some tryout myself.

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Re: M-S in celebrity hunt [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #345971 - 19/10/20 11:17 PM

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Quote:



Sorry I can't just post the pictures.





'M-S in celebrity hunt' ?...
So, you're not saying that it's now legal to hunt celebrities with an MS?






Don't get me started....


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