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While looking on another board at some fully decked out AR platform chambered in 7.62 x 39 and built for hog gun.

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would you say the musket no. 2 is the better hunting cartridge in the end
better than the bigger 577/450?

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Yes and no.

No in the sense that they both use similar bullets and at similar velocities, not better, for the most part equal.

Yes in the sense of being able to make it shoot more accurately with a lot less effort, Musket No.2 is better, "in my opinion".

15-16 years ago when I researched this cartridge I learned both Gibbs and Westley Richards made variations of this cartridge in an attempt to to compete for the eastern European market in direct competition to the 577/450. In long discussion on this cartridge my friend Gert Claes we came to the conclusion that variances between Gibbs and WR Musket are very small, but indeed they are different cartridges. The differences are so small that one can be fired in another Both have ballistics similar to the Martini. The .45 Turkish Peabody-Roumanian Peabody are all minor variations of these cartridges.

The case was a drawn brass case to start and never was a foil case. Case volume and powder charge volume are much closer together than in the Martini and the issue with that are reduced.

I have several guns in this cartridge. The Turkish Martini shot to the sights-I looked for some of the targets I shot back then and couldn't find any.

The Hollis sporting rifle, I need to get back out to the range and shoot. I found the targets I was shooting in preparation for my Moose hunt two years ago.

At first glance the targets are not all that impressive. But consider I was having trouble with double vision and in need of cataract surgery at the time.





While spread horizontally, vertically they are very tight.

Same thing occurred shooting the Greener 500 Express.



The first two show spread horizontally. But when I concentrated and used the darkest of the double image, the gun grouped. First two shots center of mass, second pair 6 o'clock hold.

100 yard targets, all.

I have a New Mexico Elk hunt this year. I might go work with the Hollis some more. I have had cataract surgery and no longer have double vision.

I may try to have that little Belgium Martini pictured above ready to go for that hunt also, we'll see.

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Aw yes John, ridiculous. Very polite of you.

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While looking on another board at some fully decked out AR platform chambered in 7.62 x 39 and built for hog gun.

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Aw yes John, ridiculous. Very polite of you.

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Is it yours? Oops. Sorry. Mate, Its huge! Longer than the rifle. Almost. But if you like it. I'm guessing you use it for sniping little varmints. I like the rifle. That rifle might come in handy these days soon.

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While looking on another board at some fully decked out AR platform chambered in 7.62 x 39 and built for hog gun.

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Is it yours? Oops. Sorry. Mate, Its huge! Longer than the rifle. Almost. But if you like it. I'm guessing you use it for sniping little varmints. I like the rifle. That rifle might come in handy these days soon.

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Ahahahahaha! Hell no John, not mine.

I have used shades on my scopes in the past but only in early morning or late afternoon shooting prairie dogs and shooting in the direction of the sun. And on bench bolt guns. The rest of the time, the shade stayed in the shooting box.

I will confess, I do have AR's. Here are mine.



That is a shadow not a shade on the front of the scopes.

And I will also confess, only the top one has ever been shot. The three lower ones are unfired. I don't like AR's, they seem awkward and clumsy to me, in the same category as a Snider.

I prefer Martini's when I can, even with big scopes.



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thank you lancaster
we do not have many cape buffalos in south carolina,but lots of squirrels.i like martini action too,but i wanted a rimfire.only rimfires are legal for small game in my state.the martini zeller action is not the strongest martini action,used a lot for british rook rifles,but plenty strong for a .22lr and a lot of fun to build.22 hornet or 25/20 would have been nice too,but worthless for me here as a bunny gun.

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Well done dreyse54, certainly a project to be proud of being your own.
I thought the old .25-20 or .32-20 would make a great small game gun, much more finicky than a .17 rimfire - but I reckon it'd do just fine for squirrels.....perhaps TOO good!

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Thank you John. Yes they are in the right place.
I had this little rifle built for me in 1985
Doug Barnes was the gun smith
Ken Davis was the stock maker
Both of them are from Western Australian
The barrel came from Sprinter Arms. South Australia
The wood is Tasmanian Blackwood from an aged piece that Ken had at the time
The butt plate came from an I Hollis shotgun that Ken skeletonized
This little rifle is one of my favorites and has killed hundreds of rabbits a few foxes and feral cats
Back then I would leave work at 5 drive 100ks south of Perth spotlight all night clean them at dawn and drive home this used to happen about every three months.
Those day I didn't know what was thinner me or my wallet so I used to eat a lot of game meat including our national emblem

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Very nice Cadet there sbs470 - that Tassie Blackwood is a very good stock timber.
I certainly would love to get a piece one day for another project I would like to do - but on a full size Martini.
Nothing wrong with the humble rabbit or a bit of 'roo either!

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I may be able to help you with that......I'm starting to collect a few bits of Tassie Blackwood for stocks.

Roger

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