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Homer
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Tahr Wars in NZ.
      #343318 - 17/07/20 08:33 AM

G'Day Fella's,

In case you were not aware of it, the New Zealand government's, Department of Conversation, want to erradicate Himalayan Thar, from all NZ National Parks, initially .......... and I imagine, from all of NZ eventually, along with all other introduce mammals. Sad!
https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=IyStHWbBO...v6FBsqtkPTvrgPI

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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: Homer]
      #343320 - 17/07/20 10:09 AM

If I remember correctly, white people are not indigenous to NZ, or, for that matter, Australia.
Maybe DOC will send the helicopters after the white people.
Oh no, DOC is manned by white folks.

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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: 85lc]
      #343382 - 19/07/20 04:00 PM

Quote:

If I remember correctly, white people are not indigenous to NZ, or, for that matter, Australia.
Maybe DOC will send the helicopters after the white people.
Oh no, DOC is manned by white folks.




I agree with you 85lc.
These Bigotted Zealots, want to return NZ back to what has been described as the "Back to Eden" plan ...... in every way but that of their own lifestyle, and of course their income!
The sooner these Socialist STOOGES are kicked out of political power, (in September 2020), the better.

D'oh!
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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: 85lc]
      #343385 - 19/07/20 05:33 PM

Quote:

If I remember correctly, white people are not indigenous to NZ, or, for that matter, Australia.
Maybe DOC will send the helicopters after the white people.
Oh no, DOC is manned by white folks.




Hate to tell you, nor are the Maori. They wiped out the original inhabitants. Come to think of it Whites are only indigenous to Europe. So if we all pulled back to Europe how long before they want us back so they can live in something other than a mud or straw hut. Or how long before Asians colonize them. May have to put those questions to all apologists and those wanting black rule.

Re the Tahr topic I sent a letter to the Left wing retard Socialist running NZ about this and only received a form letter in reply.


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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: Rule303]
      #343389 - 19/07/20 07:14 PM

It could be a good thing. It'll serve as a reminder as to how extremely anti-gun / anti-hunter / pro-green the current PM is. A reminder as to just how intolerant and neo-totalitarian she is.

I know your opposition parties aren't any better, but it is essential to have Ardern thrown out as a message to all other politicians. If you don't do it at this election, not only will the current bans will be forever, more will be imposed every few years. Just look across the strait at Oz to see what happens.


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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: Hunter4752001]
      #343391 - 19/07/20 10:33 PM

You can tell by watching that gap-toothed wanker from DOC in the video, that he couldn't care less about what anyone else thinks.

He's been given the power to kill the tahr, and he's going to do it. He knows what's best for us.


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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: MikeRowe]
      #343416 - 20/07/20 09:20 AM

Quote:

You can tell by watching that gap-toothed wanker from DOC in the video, that he couldn't care less about what anyone else thinks.

He's been given the power to kill the tahr, and he's going to do it. He knows what's best for us.




His boss, the Minister in charge of DOC is a paid up, participating member of the Communist Party. Kinda points to where the current PM wants to go.


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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: Rule303]
      #343432 - 20/07/20 05:24 PM

The Ardern govt is a communist govt just waiting to happen. And per our media she is loved by the NZ population currently. I hope as usual the media is lying. However one online friend seems to show favour that the Comrade has "done well" in the C19 panicdemic ..... actually she hasn't, but propaganda does often work.

So sad if an otherwise endangered species in much of its home territory such as tahr was slaughtered for no good reason in NZ.

I had better get fit and hunt them before they and the chamois are gone.

Yes the Comrade Ardern govt MUST go. For a great many reasons.

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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: NitroX]
      #343453 - 21/07/20 01:50 AM

61 Years ago they said it will never happen. Those that said it never met a millennial!







Khrushchev said "We [Communism} will bury you!Ē A quick read but a lasting thought. Pretty scary now.


Khrushchev's Message 61 years ago:


THIS WAS HIS ENTIRE QUOTE: A sobering reminder. Almost exactly sixty-one years ago since Russiaís Khrushchev delivered his Do you remember September 29, 1959? THIS WAS HIS ENTIRE QUOTE:

"Your children's children will live under communism, You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright; but we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and find you already have Communism. We will not have to fight you; We will so weaken your economy, until you will fall like overripe fruit into our hands." "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."


Do you remember what Russia's Khrushchev said in 1959?

Remember, socialism leads to Communism. So,how do you create a Socialistic State?


There are 8 levels of control; read the following recipe:


1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people.


2) Poverty - Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them.


3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.


4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government That way you are able to create a police state.


5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect (food, housing, income) of their lives because that will make them fully dependent on the government.


6) Education - Take control of what people read and listen to and take control of what children learn in school.


7) Religion - Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools because the people need to believe in ONLY the government knowing what is best for the people.


8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. Eliminate the middle class This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor

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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: Daryl_S]
      #343459 - 21/07/20 08:51 AM

Daryl thanks for that. Yes he was/is correct and those with open eyes can see that is happening now.

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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: Daryl_S]
      #343488 - 22/07/20 03:51 PM

And today Russia under Putin is not communist while the EU and USA and West is full of communists in govt. One reason they want to get rid of Putin so much. And why there is so much anti Putin hate propaganda on our fake news channels.

We really need some strong men in control and mass imprisonments of leftists.

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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: NitroX]
      #343521 - 23/07/20 08:24 AM

Quote:

And today Russia under Putin is not communist while the EU and USA and West is full of communists in govt. One reason they want to get rid of Putin so much. And why there is so much anti Putin hate propaganda on our fake news channels.

We really need some strong men in control and mass imprisonments of leftists.




You can say that again.


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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: Rule303]
      #343784 - 29/07/20 08:21 AM

G'Day Fella's,

FYI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDnpLdKG...yX5SPWhwi9g4qUQ

D'oh!
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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: Homer]
      #343802 - 29/07/20 03:31 PM

Meanwhile while Conrade Ardern wants to slaughter all the tahr, she also has no problem murdered unborn babies including babies born alive during "abortions".

The Comrades govt of NZ has rushed through a horrible abortion act in NZ when everyone is distracted by the panicdemic. Allows murder of babies for any reason right up to until birth. No pain relief needed for unborn babies. Babies 'accidentally' born alive to be allowed to die.

Despicable woman and government. Praised by left wing govts ad nauseum.

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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: NitroX]
      #344208 - 10/08/20 07:30 AM

We got the same thing going on in America (maybe worse). Sick !!!!!!!!!! All of them !!!!!!!!
Robert


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      #344223 - 10/08/20 02:26 PM

NZ is pushing a lot of stuff through under the hidden blanket of covid-19 diversions ....

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Re: Tahr Wars in NZ. [Re: NitroX]
      #344229 - 10/08/20 06:24 PM

The reply I received from the Communist Minister responsible. Please note the following is word of mouth from a Kiwi mate. They are not just hitting the Tahr in National Parks, a few outside have been hit as well.

Tēnā koe



Thank you for your letter regarding the control of Himalayan tahr in New Zealand.

While I acknowledge your views I do want to take this opportunity to explain why it is important to control the number of tahr within New Zealand.

Himalayan tahr (tahr) were introduced to New Zealand in the early 1900s for recreational and hunting interests. They are native to the central Himalayan ranges in India and Nepal. With no natural predators in New Zealand, tahr successfully established themselves over much of the central Southern Alps between the Rakaia and Whitcombe rivers (in the north) and the Hunter and Haast rivers (in the south). They can be found on public conservation, private and Crown pastoral lease land.

Tahr are large, herbivorous goat-like animals that feed primarily on alpine tussock grasslands and sub-alpine shrublands. As social animals which group together, tahr are recognised to have had widespread impact on native vegetation in alpine and sub-alpine areas, so control of their numbers is ecologically important.

New Zealand alpine ecosystems evolved without mammalian herbivores, such as tahr. Consequently, many alpine plants have no defence mechanisms, such as toxins or spines, to discourage tahr from eating them. Some plant species, forming part of the tahr diet, are ranked as Threatened or At Risk by the New Zealand Threat Classification System. Large groups of tahr can transform tall tussocks and sub-alpine shrublands to grassy turf or bare ground.



Management of tahr

The management of tahr is governed by a statutory plan, the Himalayan Thar Control Plan 1993, prepared under the Wild Animal Control Act 1977.A key element of the plan is that it sets a maximum population of 10,000 tahr across all land tenures in the tahr feral range. Neither I nor the Department of Conservation have any plans to eradicate tahr across tahrís feral range. The Department is taking a phased approach to meet the Planís objectives. Tahr control is urgent. Without control, the tahr population is at risk of increasing further, undoing the good progress achieved last year.



Population estimates

The department estimates, in autumn 2019, there were approximately 34,500 tahr on public conservation land alone (following three summer seasons of tahr population monitoring). Approximately 11,000 tahr were controlled between July and November 2019 by the department, commercial hunters, and contractors. The population will have since increased due to the intervening breeding season.

Reports of large populations of tahr on private and Crown leasehold land have also been received by the department. Later this year the department will work with Land Information New Zealand (LINZ) to survey tahr populations on Crown pastoral lease land.



The Tahr Control Operational Plan 2020/21

The departmentís control work will focus on:

∑ control outside of the tahr feral range to stop expansion of the geographical range of tahr

∑ controlling tahr in Aoraki/Mount Cook and Westland/Tai Poutini national parks to the lowest practicable densities to protect and preserve these special places as safe havens for indigenous plants and wildlife.

∑ controlling high densities of female and juvenile tahr across the tahr feral range to reduce tahr impacts and population spread.

Other work in the tahr programme includes:

∑ establishing the status and size of tahr populations off public conservation land

∑ working with Ngāi Tahu to further implement the Treaty partnership in relation to tahr management at a governance level.

∑ working with Ngāi Tahu, tahr researchers and stakeholders to develop an integrated research and monitoring programme.

The High Court upheld one aspect of the New Zealand Tahr Foundationís (NZTF) judicial review proceedings. The Court instructed the department to consult further with NZTF and other stakeholders and said the department could undertake half of its proposed control (that is, 125 hours of the planned 250 hours) as it saw fit while the consultation is completed. At this stage, it is too early to say how many tahr will be removed during the scheduled 125 hours of control.

Consultation

The department advises me that it holds two to three Tahr Plan Implementation Liaison Group (TPILG) meetings annually to discuss issues surrounding its implementation of the Plan. In the last two years, the department has engaged individually with stakeholders and the full TPILG during the development of its annual Tahr Control Operational Plan.

Throughout the year, representatives of the department also attend a range of hunter meetings throughout New Zealand.

Impact of the Departmentís control work

There are still thousands of tahr available for hunters over thousands of hectares on and off public conservation land. The two national parks represent just 26% of the public conservation land in the tahr range. Tahr also occur on Crown pastoral lease and private land.

The department will also prioritise leaving tahr for recreational hunters in easy to access hunting areas.

In terms of mature bull tahr, I have been advised the department will not target bull tahr outside of the national parks in the Tahr Control Operational Plan 2020/21. There is 425,000 hectares of public conservation land outside of the national parks where bull tahr can be hunted. During its control operations, the department maps the locations where bull tahr are spotted outside of the national parks. This information can be found on the departmentís website.

Based on returns provided to the department by concessionaires, the majority of commercial trophy tahr hunting occurs on private and Crown pastoral lease land. The departmentís sole focus will be on public conservation land, particularly the national parks.

With New Zealandís borders remaining closed, there will be limited commercial trophy hunting. The department will be the major form of tahr control during this period.

Where practical, the department advises me that it will explore opportunities to contract professional ground hunters to carry out official control to help support the long-term viability of their businesses.

Helicopter-borne hunting activities have been carried out for a long time in New Zealand. The departmentís hunters and contractors are trained and experienced professionals - and like all hunters (ground and aerial), they must first clearly identify their target and ensure safety.

Thank you again for your letter. I hope that the above information and the attached fact sheet respond to the issues you raised.



Nāku noa, nā



Hon. Eugenie Sage

Minister of Conservation


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