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Story
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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #151628 - 24/01/10 06:09 AM

CarpetSahib,
You do nice work.
If firing from the sling-supported position, does the pressure on the forward sling mount on the barrel do anything to the POI?


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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Story]
      #151643 - 24/01/10 09:24 AM

A friend owns the rifle now. I'll get him to try some groups with the sling and let you know what happens.

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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #151698 - 25/01/10 04:56 AM

Thanks!

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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Story]
      #152887 - 05/02/10 07:13 AM

Well, I asked my friend what would happen to the POA with a tight sling. He replied that he has no intention of finding out; the sling is for transportation only. So.....

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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #152945 - 06/02/10 02:57 AM

Considering the accuracy advantages of sling-supported shooting, I'm surprised he doesn't want to sacrifice a few test rounds to at least see what - if any - differences there are to the point of impact.

This relates back to Lee Sporter construction - I've noticed more than a few converted military rifles making use of the rear sight protector screw (part #34, most schematics) hole for the front sling swivel. I can see that for aesthetics sake as well as practical shooting, but I also have a factory BSA Lee Speed with it's front sling swivel mount in this position.

Considering that any torque from the sling while firing from the supported position would be offset by the off-hand, this seems to be the better place to mount the front sling swivel.


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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Story]
      #152951 - 06/02/10 04:08 AM

I'm in the camp of guys who feel a hunting rifle sling is for carriage and carriage only.
Proper field shooting position doesn't need a sling to complicate matters.

Everyone has their own opinion.

To the guys who like slings as support -- good for y'all!
In the same hunt, the different guys with similar skill and experience will succeed just as well as each other...

As I could give a flying hack as to what my bolt rifles will do with pressure-via-sling -- I wouldn't waste any ammunition in my .303 to find out either.





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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #153012 - 07/02/10 01:17 AM

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Then we noticed that the back of the forend was touching the front of the socket; it is supposed to have a clear sight-line from top to bottom, but did not. To correct it, we simply scraped the offending area until we did have a sight-line. Test firing reveals that the zero is holding steady, even after a recent episode of rainy weather. The problem appears to be solved.



Zero is still holding firm even after a few weeks of variable weather. In our case, it appears that the key to consistency is to completely bed the barrel and action, while keeping the back of the forend free from contact.

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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #157056 - 21/03/10 06:12 PM

For barreling a Lee Speed "replica" or rebarreling an original, the Lithgow SMLE heavy barrels in .303 are still available sometimes in Australia. They were made in two versions, the earlier one having deeper cut rifling. I wish I had imported a few more before Australian export regulations became so restrictive. A few have shown up fitted to Lee Speeds on this forum and others. They are easy to ID by the shoulder just behind the front sight where the barrel is stepped down to original SMLE dimensions to allow the use of the same frontsights. There is also an "H" on the flat of the Nock's Form, but that would probably be removed on some polished and blued barrels.

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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Old_Glass]
      #169575 - 15/10/10 10:52 AM

Found this inspiration elsewhere - by Lon Paul (http://www.lonpaulcustomguns.com/) in .348 Winchester.




(other examples of his work can be found at http://www.lonpaulcustomguns.com/html/lon_paul_photo_gallery.html )

Edited by CptCurl (20/10/10 10:10 PM)


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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Story]
      #169933 - 20/10/10 05:04 PM

Here is the other side of Lon's rifle



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Edited by CptCurl (20/10/10 10:11 PM)


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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: 458Win]
      #169958 - 21/10/10 05:59 AM

The thing that has always made me wonder about this design of stock on the Lee Speeds that wern't on a checkered military style stock is the angle of the bottom of the pistol grip area.It is very flat to the bore line compared to practically all other customs that angle up towards the heel of the comb. Any one have any light to shed on this. To my eye it sets the Lee Speeds apart and is very apealing.

Von Gruff.


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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: 458Win]
      #169992 - 21/10/10 11:56 PM

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Here is the other side of Lon's rifle




That's a ten round magazine body, any idea of how many .458s it holds?


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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Story]
      #170460 - 28/10/10 01:34 PM

I've been remiss in sharing my faux Lee Speeds, a pair of former NZ Enfield IIs turned into Orc slayers.

An 1893, 25" .303 barrel with one of those SARCO three folding leaf rear sights, with gunshow-found front ramp and front barrel-mount sling swivel. Stocks are bubba'd military, magazine might be a Santa Fe.


An 1892, 17.5" .303, No 4 buttstock and a bubba'd SMLE No 1 foreend (with that taped-on $5 ebony foreend found at a gunshow: it is a work in progress). Have a PH 5 sight that I'll hang on it.
Gotta figure out how to make some fish-belly six-round magazines.


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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Story]
      #170510 - 29/10/10 06:19 AM

FYI,
A .458 Winchester Magnum dummy round in a .45-70 Navy Arms magazine, with a standard SMLE magazine alongside.


Edited by CptCurl (29/10/10 09:30 AM)


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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Story]
      #170540 - 29/10/10 04:21 PM

Lon's rifle is chambered for the 348 Win

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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: 458Win]
      #170560 - 30/10/10 03:26 AM

Story-


For the magazine bottom-plate of your fishBelly box mags, use a steel motorcycle fender or a VW beetle (or similar) car fender.
The 'dish' shape you want is already present, and at the wrecking yard there should be enough there to outfit every rifle in the empire.






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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: tinker]
      #170598 - 30/10/10 12:47 PM

Thanks Tinker !

Thats a good idea , I was going to just shape the bottom using thicker metal .

Cheers


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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Sarg]
      #170599 - 30/10/10 01:15 PM

Sarg!


Yes mate, there's bound to be acres of perfect tin for dirt-cheap at your local auto wrecker.

Come out here to NV and run the WR on our coyote and cougar.
Cold beer at no expense!




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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: tinker]
      #170636 - 31/10/10 03:03 AM

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Story-
For the magazine bottom-plate of your fishBelly box mags, use a steel motorcycle fender or a VW beetle (or similar) car fender.
The 'dish' shape you want is already present, and at the wrecking yard there should be enough there to outfit every rifle in the empire.
Cheers
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I owe you a Guinness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPKf7y1F-Q


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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: tinker]
      #170665 - 31/10/10 02:15 PM

Tinker my man , I would love that , a Big Tom is high on my list , a Cold Beer/Bear would be nice to !

Ps I have a couple of 8 bore barrels on they way , might be a light 8 yet !

Cheers !


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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Story]
      #170734 - 01/11/10 10:23 AM

Story-

Quote:


I owe you a Guinness...





A Guiness would be brilliant!!



Sarg-

The new pad is great, and there's room here to beer and shelter you for the visit!





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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: VonGruff]
      #177208 - 16/03/11 07:40 AM

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The thing that has always made me wonder about this design of stock on the Lee Speeds that wern't on a checkered military style stock is the angle of the bottom of the pistol grip area.It is very flat to the bore line compared to practically all other customs that angle up towards the heel of the comb. Any one have any light to shed on this. To my eye it sets the Lee Speeds apart and is very apealing.

Von Gruff.


Mannlicher Schoenauers were made with a similar grip angle. It is a feature that I have never cared for; my tastes run more toward the more traditional Brit styling exemplified by Westley Richards, et al.

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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #188734 - 28/08/11 12:07 PM

Any more rifles to show? I'm kicking around putting together a Lee-Speed~ish rifle at some point! I enjoy the inspiration!

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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Nailcreek]
      #343775 - 29/07/20 05:03 AM

Resurrecting the thread...

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Re: poor mans version of the lee speed [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #343794 - 29/07/20 10:33 AM

OH Man, we just got two Lee Enfields in the shop today. One is an Indian 308 that has not been sporterized. The other has more possibilities. Its a No1 MkIII* thats been Bubba sporterized by cutting the stock and removing the top forend pieces and front metal. The rear sight is still intact. I almost think it could be put back in military form; but it might be a fun project if we price it right?

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