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Dog Old Age Question
      #341501 - 30/05/20 09:37 PM



Asked the following question on a GSP Hunting Dog group:



My old boy, now 12 years plus. Has always been slim and fit. A little bit heavier now. He is starting to have problems with his rear half. Has taken a few falls when running or moving. His rear hips appear to be failing sometimes.

He also has a cough which comes and goes. Usually from cold air I believe. He has had all his regular shots.

His feed is mixed, usually Bonny Adult or Bonny Working dog, plus chicken, beef or roof mince mixed in. Rice or cooked vege leftovers.

If there anything I can give him to improve his rear hip problems? Any supplements or ?

What about the cough? The vet when he had his shots, prodded his throat and said he was fine. Of course he wasn't coughing at the time.

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Re: Dog Old Age Question [Re: NitroX]
      #341502 - 30/05/20 09:41 PM

What do you think?

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Re: Dog Old Age Question [Re: NitroX]
      #341503 - 30/05/20 09:49 PM

Comments to my question:

Bryan Carter Joint guard

Stephen Belgre Hemp oil

Brady Munson Good looking dog mate. Some very basic advice, throw a couple of fish oil tablets in with his dinner 👍🏼

John Hahn Same as for humans?

Brady Munson John Hahn yep exactly the same. Cheap and works a treat

John Hahn Same as the doctor tells this "old dog" to do.
If handed anything he usually eats it readily. Will see with the fish oil.

Brady Munson John Hahn mate it’s great for us and them 👍🏼. Just stick it in his dinner and he won’t even notice it.

John Hahn I used to give him a raw egg occasionally and also some peanut oil. Haven't done the latter for a while. Must buy some more.

John Hahn I mainly did both for hair and skin health. '

Paul Dodd i got 4cyte from vet for my old dogs hips seems comftable more often now

Talia Duell 4cyte, also ask your vet about cartrophen injections

Brad Youd We are in the same boat with our 12yo girl. 4cyte is certainly helping as has some hydrotherapy

John Hahn If it rains enough he can have a swim in the creek. He still runs about anyway.
But actually is not keen on swimming. My previous GSP loved the water and went for swims by himself even in the middle of Winter. This boy was a drought puppy, and drought for years. And drought fro years again. Tries everything to not retrieve in the water and never goes for a swim unless thrown in.
Pity. The next boy, Donder, needs to be a thundering swimmer.

Andrea Stejskal Hemp oil from health shop and krill oil and Tumeric has been good with my 11 year old.

John Hahn Got some krill oil with tumeric/curcumin mixed in. So tumeric is OK for a dog? Just double checking?
If he doesn't get these expensive pills I will be swallowing them.

Tim Oleary I have just started my dogs on some tumeric. Recommended by an American friend of mine. It's an Australian company and he swears by it. Claims the difference in his I'll older labradors is day and night. My dogs only started it last week.

Tim Oleary John Hahn https://www.turmericlife.com.au/.../extra-strength...
I got the cancer one for my old dog and the normal one for the younger dog.

Turmeric Dog and Pet Bites (with Fenbendazole)
TURMERICLIFE.COM.AU


Janine Blasi Rosehip Vital for Canine...
My dog also at 13yo has regular physio sessions. She really perks up after an adjustment.

Luke Warner Janine Blasi I’ve recently seen videos about this stuff. How good is it?

Carlo Iacobucci Luke Warner Used it for a while on the old girl for nill effect.Might work for others.

Janine Blasi Luke Warner. I've just started. My dog refused to eat Turmeric or Golden paste. She's getting weak in the back end now also. So tough watching them age

Mike Brincat Janine Blasi yes it is tough watching your dog getting older and physically deteriorating. It is just as hard watching myself going through the same process. We are old dogs physically, but mentally we think we can still run through those paddocks like a young dog. Just be patient with us and let us do as much as we can without expecting too much. Let US decide when we can’t hunt anymore.

John Hahn Physio? This boy stills runs and carries on. He just complains about being stiff in the evening, and has an early night.

Janine Blasi John Hahn . She is so much happier after a massage ( Bowen therapy). The difference is amazing. I wouldn't deny her that treatment every few weeks.
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Mira Lauko Radiographs

Margaret Cotton Check the heart.

Andrew McInerney Sardines in oil mate good for coat n joints

John Hahn Tried fish oil tablets last night. As expected he spits them out. So its in the mouth and hold the jaw up while he chews and pretends to swallow, until he gives up and does swallow.

Andrea Stejskal John Hahn look up McDowells herbal , they specialise in all sort of issues with animals. Kate has been wonderful with my questions. I have Piper now on Hemp seed oil and few other things, have helped a lot.

John Hahn Thanks for the replies. Will source some stuff to give it a try.

Susan Brown My old dog has trouble getting up, very wasted on hind legs and is incontinent.On 4cyte, vitrate, old dog pills, meloxicam etc. Is still cheerful but for how long. Has his electric blanket. So hard.

Lisa Hope Antinol Rapid is a great product

Susan Brown Liquid vitrate in 10ml syringe down the side of the mouth. No worries.

John Hahn Someone mentioned their dog having an electric blanket. I forgot I bought a sleeping electric heating pad for my previous GSP. Never really used it. Blitzen, above, thinks my house is too cold, and toddles off to the bedroom to sleep next to an oil radiator heater most nights. I'll have to find that heating pad, I am sure he will love it. We spoil our GSPs.
My previous GSP Siegfried developed a tumour mid way in his spine. Possibly from a car accident. He ended up paralysed in the rear hips and was eventually put down at eight or nine years. I don't like these rear hip problems of Blitzen's too much a reminder but thankfully old age this time.
Thanks for all the answers and suggestions.

John Hahn BTW Blitzen decided to do his old aggro puppy antics this afternoon. He decided to teach me a lesson. I left him alone in the backyard. So decided to rip apart a garbage bag and spread the rubbish all over ....

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Re: Dog Old Age Question [Re: NitroX]
      #341504 - 30/05/20 09:51 PM




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Re: Dog Old Age Question [Re: NitroX]
      #341532 - 31/05/20 08:38 AM

John, i have an old red cattle dog nearing 13 years old, like Blitzen she's certainly going grey now, but gets hidden well - more like they just fade in colour.
She still gets out & about well thanks to fish oil tablets that we put in her food now.
It's been cold ( well for us NQ folks) for a while & getting them off the ground on a good raised bed has certainly helped her!
Always a sad thing to put a good dog down!


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Re: Dog Old Age Question [Re: 93x64mm]
      #341535 - 31/05/20 09:02 AM

All the best wishes with your dogs, boys. It can be tough when they get older.

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Re: Dog Old Age Question [Re: DarylS]
      #341539 - 31/05/20 02:10 PM

May not be anything to do with hips. Congestive heart failure can manifest itself as a cough and fainting i.e. the dog collapses but gets back up again and carries on. Had a Jack Russell who suddenly started to show these signs when she got to about 15 years old. The vet told me that dogs only use a small percentage of their heart capacity but as age catches up on them they can quickly go from being very fit and agile to failing as their heart capacity has finally got to the stage where it can't keep up. Vet gave me some pills to try but told me the old dogs heart was dying quicker than the rest of the dog. While the little terrier didn't seem in any pain I imagine suffering from bouts of unable to get enough oxygen in to keep up with an active body was no fun and the pills didn't help so sadly I put her down.

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Re: Dog Old Age Question [Re: eagle27]
      #341553 - 31/05/20 11:14 PM

Quote:

May not be anything to do with hips. Congestive heart failure can manifest itself as a cough and fainting i.e. the dog collapses but gets back up again and carries on. Had a Jack Russell who suddenly started to show these signs when she got to about 15 years old. The vet told me that dogs only use a small percentage of their heart capacity but as age catches up on them they can quickly go from being very fit and agile to failing as their heart capacity has finally got to the stage where it can't keep up. Vet gave me some pills to try but told me the old dogs heart was dying quicker than the rest of the dog. While the little terrier didn't seem in any pain I imagine suffering from bouts of unable to get enough oxygen in to keep up with an active body was no fun and the pills didn't help so sadly I put her down.




I don't like this post! But a good comment.

Blitzen did have a vet checkup maybe in January or December? The vet said his heart beat was good.

I think a new vet visit is called for. He got a lot worse since January. His cough was there. It comes and goes. I think mainly when he gets cold.

It could be his heart. He has never been great in the heat even when young. But he does have trouble getting up and rising with his rear half. So hopefully that and not heart problems. Old man back problems I hope.

Lots of people have mentioned fish oil and krill oil tablets. As well as tumeric.

As I have all of these, for me , he is getting them now., Wrapped in mince meat, and handed to him, he just swallows. In his food, will probably spit them out.

So he is getting a fish oil tablet, and a combined krill and curcumin (tumeric) a day now. These are all good for muscles, arteries and the heart.

Old age, what a pain.

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A question. Sardines in oil. I want to feed them to him. I assume he will eat them. He has never before. How many should one feed a week? I don't want to over do it, more than necessary, too expensive.

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Re: Dog Old Age Question [Re: NitroX]
      #341559 - 01/06/20 01:43 AM

Isn't the oil in sardines just olive oil? That alone should be good for him. Coupled with the fish oil tabs, spot-on but I wouldn't think too much would be good, either.

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Re: Dog Old Age Question [Re: DarylS]
      #341586 - 02/06/20 03:26 PM

Fish oil is just like eating tuna, salmon or sardines. It doesn't hurt great big bears. It won't hurt a dog either.

Blitzen, gourmet dog gets to eat better, sometimes, than many people. Along with dog slop and crunchy dog food, yesterday gourmet dog got a T bone steak. I emptied out a drawer in a freezer to make room for new stuff. Combined drawers to empty one. Found some really really old stuff, including a freezer dried T-bone. A Blitzen treat.

Blitzen sometimes gets old salmon. When I make dinner, eat leftovers, sometimes the third attempt gets forgotten at the back of the fridge. Gourmet dog treat!

Found a really big slab of salmon in the drawer. Bought it for Christmas dinner at least year ago. Bought two. Was cheap for some reason. No way if the little old man getting that, I hope it is still OK. When de-frosting will have to check it out. Grilled oven salmon, maybe a salmon bake for me, wife, and my parents, and no doubt gourmet dog as well.

Also found two big roasts of water buffalo.

This was actually the dog food drawer. I think human food got stuck down there because there was space.

Blitzen is getting one fish oil tablet, and one Krill oil/curcumin tablet a day, when I remember.

BTW he readily ate the sardines the other night. I had a entre of sardines on bread and a couple of slices of salmon pate on bread as well. Before a steak!

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Re: Dog Old Age Question [Re: NitroX]
      #342713 - 23/06/20 10:27 AM

My wife gives our three dogs Cosequin. ( https://www.cosequin.com/ ) I can't tell you how much this stuff might help, but it seems to make my wife feel better about the dogs.

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Re: Dog Old Age Question [Re: THBailey]
      #342730 - 23/06/20 05:43 PM

I give the old fella a fish oil capsule and a krill oil with curcumin capsule stuck in a ball of mince meat every night or most nights and they just go down instantly. To my eye they seem to be helping. He seems to stand up easier.

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Re: Dog Old Age Question [Re: NitroX]
      #342742 - 23/06/20 09:44 PM

Good to hear the old boy is improving John.
Just keep up the old regime of the oil etc & it'll give them a better quality of life.
Now's the time to get a pup & get him/her trained up; an older dog can be a bit grumpy at times, but after awhile the old ones perk up & play with the youngsters - gives them a second lease on life!


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