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bonanza
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In search of cartridge
#34139 - 30/06/05 11:47 PM

I'm searching for a beltless "short" medium bore cartridge for a bolt action rifle. The 9.3x64 and 9.3x62 is all I've been able to come up with.

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500Nitro
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Re: In search of cartridge [Re: bonanza]
#34140 - 01/07/05 12:23 AM

bonanza

The only ones I can think of is the 35 Whelan and
338-06 (which is effetively the 318 Westley Richards Accelerated Express.)

Hope this helps.

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new_guy
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Re: In search of cartridge [Re: 500Nitro]
#34142 - 01/07/05 12:48 AM

the short 404-based dakota series could be what you're looking for - depending on the caliber you want, they have necked it up to 423 and down to 7mm.

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bonanza
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Re: In search of cartridge [Re: 500Nitro]
#34143 - 01/07/05 01:02 AM

Can you tell the ballistics of the 35 whelan?

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bonanza
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Re: In search of cartridge [Re: new_guy]
#34144 - 01/07/05 01:08 AM

I've been looking at the .375 Dakota.

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500Nitro
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Re: In search of cartridge [Re: bonanza]
#34145 - 01/07/05 01:28 AM

Bonanza,

35 Whelan doesn't set the world on fire but quite a few hunters here
use it for Deer etc.

I have not shot it but have a deer hunting friend who uses it and he swears by it.

Not too sure of the longer range trajectory so you'd need to check it.

Bullet Wt Veloc ME
Gns

180 2700 2914
200 2700 3003
225 2500 3123
250 2500 3470
300 2500 4164

Factory (Remington
200 2675 3177
250 2400 3197

Hope this helps

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Rell
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Re: In search of cartridge [Re: 500Nitro]
#34147 - 01/07/05 01:46 AM

The new winchester short mag WSM325, may be an option. It's just an 8mm, but with a 250 gr bullet it should beat the 9.3x62 with the same bullet weight.

Also you can get it in the wincheter 70 featherweight, not a bad packing rilfe.

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foxfire
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Re: In search of cartridge [Re: bonanza]
#34153 - 01/07/05 04:52 AM

Remington shows the 35 Whelan:
250 grains mv2400 me 3200
200 grains mv2675 me 3177

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Re: In search of cartridge [Re: bonanza]
#34154 - 01/07/05 06:21 AM

In reply to:

I've been looking at the .375 Dakota.

That's probably as good a one as any. And with the Rem Ultra cases in mass production, you'll always have cases from which to form it (should the dakota brass ever run short of supply.)

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rgp
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Re: In search of cartridge [Re: new_guy]
#34157 - 01/07/05 12:27 PM

I'll suggest an oddball.

.400 Whelen, which I think is based on the .30/06 case necked to .40 calibre.

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Rell
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Re: In search of cartridge [Re: rgp]
#34173 - 01/07/05 03:12 PM

I have read that the 400 whelen has serious head spacing issues, but I've herd that about the 375 whelen as well.

If you want a 40 then I think the 40 caliber hawk/scovil is made from a blown out 9.3x62 cartridge and is suppose to head space OK.

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rgp
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Re: In search of cartridge [Re: Rell]
#34176 - 01/07/05 04:38 PM

It seems that a .400 Whelen should have some headspace issues given the small shoulder...however with a properly cut chamber it should be no worse than a .45 ACP or a .458 Winchester or a .41 or .44 AMP.

If the headspace problems exist with a properly cut .400 Whelen chamber, that would explain why it is extremely uncommon.

Personally I'd ignore the short cartridges and stick with a fairly common .375 H&H and just load it down a bit.

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Tom_Bigbore
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Re: In search of cartridge [Re: bonanza]
#34178 - 01/07/05 04:58 PM

Ever considered the 10,75x68 ?
I´m just planning to build one.
No problem in findig barrel, loaded cartridges or reasonable priced components for reloading.
Energy is between 9,3x62 and 9,3x64 but fires a 350 - 400 grain bullet. (energy is not everything)
You can even use a .404 rimless barrel and have some more bullets to choose from.

Tom

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NE450No2
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Re: In search of cartridge [Re: Tom_Bigbore]
#34182 - 02/07/05 12:15 AM

Bonanza
Baised on my success with the 9,3x74R in my Chapuis Double, in a bolt rifle I would go with the 9,3x62.

Also for a low recoil "thumper" for 200 yard and in hunting a 10.75x68 would be a good choice.
I have shot deer, pigs, black bear and caribou with my 450/400 double with excellent results.

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bonanza
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Re: In search of cartridge [Re: NE450No2]
#34183 - 02/07/05 12:46 AM

Thanks a bunch guys. The more I have researched the 9.3x64 the more I like it. It's relatively short, no belt, and can be used to take any game in the world. Montana Rifleman makes a lefty control feed action that will work with it also.

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