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Louis
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Mannlicher Schoenauer M. 1905 Take Down
      #341252 - 20/05/20 10:17 PM


I have had this Mannlicher Schoenauer for several years now but had not yet posted it on the Forum, mainly by lack of available time as writing a presentable post always require some work. It took me many years to find it as I noticed that MS1905 were much rarer on the market than MS1903 and MS1908, or MS1910 to a lesser extent; maybe because they were produced in lesser numbers?









This MS 1905 Take Down is dated from 1922 and his therefore 98-year-old now; she is however in pink condition and should have either seen little action or have had really caring owners: apart from some superficial scratches on the stock’s polish the wood is really fine and the checkering is still crisp; the steel is neither pitted nor rusted nor drilled and retains most of its (original?) bluing; not any screw is butchered; the bore shines (groves shines but lands are a bit dark and would require good scrubbing); and all parts bear the same serial number, although I must confess two to three small ones such as the ejector on the bolt head.



























She came to me with a removable pistol grip cap, a bolt-mounted Lyman diopter, apparently of the 1A type, and a cleaning rod of which I can’t tell whether it is a factory supplied model?









She sports the “Not English Make” marking, in addition to standard Austrian and British proof marks, which means that she was imported in the UK from 1925, when this marking became compulsory.







Apart from all that she is a standard MS 1905 Take Down of 110 cm / 43,3 inches length for a 57 cm / 22,5 inches long barrel.

I shoot Dorfner (Austria) Teilmantelgeschoss 16,5 grams / 255 grains ammunition but has not taken her hunting and do not plan doing so as I already have “dedicated” hunting rifles, kipplaufs mostly.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer M. 1905 Take Down [Re: Louis]
      #341254 - 20/05/20 11:42 PM

Wow, that is a crispy one. Love it!

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer M. 1905 Take Down [Re: JDL]
      #341257 - 21/05/20 01:09 AM

Thank you, JDL.
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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer M. 1905 Take Down [Re: Louis]
      #341260 - 21/05/20 08:07 AM

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She came to me with a removable pistol grip cap, a bolt-mounted Lyman diopter, apparently of the 1A type, and a cleaning rod of which I can’t tell whether it is a factory supplied model?

Louis





She's a beauty. Excellent photos, as well.
That is most definitely a "presentable post"!

The M1905, I believe, was indeed manufactured in smaller numbers than the M1908 or M1910 and far fewer than the M1903.

That high gloss finish may be original. My cased M1910 Takedown, also Vienna proofed 1922 along with British proofs, has that finish. I know it's unchanged from 1932 when my grandfather purchased it 'second hand' in Ceylon. It, too, has the grip cap storage (with spare sight bead therein) as well as the optional folding peep sight.


This is not my MS, it's a photo swiped from the 'net.


Your cleaning rods appear absolutely proper for the MS (I just brought mine out to compare) but are you missing one? They did come in four or five piece versions. Mine has five segments measuring 6.9 inches each. The brass 'jag' end looks just like yours. Do your other three segments all have both ends threaded?

Of my five steel segments, one has the brass 'jag' at one end (not threaded) with the other female threaded as yours in the image, three have a male threaded steel end and brass slotted, female threaded other end (as three in your image), then a fifth one with one end male threaded and the other shaped and slotted like the brass ends but all steel with no female thread - it is smooth at the end.

Mine does have a 60cm barrel, but it seems a four piece rod set would have two segments with both ends threaded, one with only female and one with only male threads so they assemble with smooth ends.

Here is your Lyman 1A, a nice bit of kit:







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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer M. 1905 Take Down [Re: Louis]
      #341273 - 21/05/20 06:25 PM

Wow wow wow!

Louis, what a great study of the M 1905. Thanks very much for posting.

I think you are right the 9 mm M-S does seem more rarer and lesser seen. If less were made initially no doubt a strong reason for the rarity. And when the 9.5 mm was made, perhaps less reason to own a 9 mm. A 6.5 mm or 8 mm and then a 9.5 mm.

A lovely rifle, and I have no doubt you put it to use. Should make a grand boar rifle.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer M. 1905 Take Down [Re: NitroX]
      #341279 - 21/05/20 10:13 PM

Louis, that is a very rare old bird to be in such wonderful condition!
Yes it would be a crime to see it knocked about; & considering that you have dedicated 'hunting' rifles, I would still make an exception to take this one out regardless!
Thanks mate, a great write up & wonderful photography as well.
A family heirloom this one will stay!


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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer M. 1905 Take Down [Re: 93x64mm]
      #341280 - 21/05/20 10:56 PM

Rothhammer, Nitrox and 9,3x64 , thank you.

Rothhammer, the four segments of the cleaning rod put together are 66 cm / 26 inches long, which looks good for cleaning a 57 cm / 22,5 cm long barrel; anyway, there won't be any room left in the dedicated compartment for storing a fifth segment so I assume that this cleaning rod was four-segment only. Did you still get your grand dad's "new hat rack" and leopard skull? With regards to "presentable posts" I have learnt by experience - as most of us if not all of us did, that it took almost the same amount of energy to do something well than to screw it, but when you screw something you'll have to do it again, so better doing things properly in the first instance as this will save time and energy!

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer M. 1905 Take Down [Re: Louis]
      #341288 - 22/05/20 10:16 PM

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Rothhammer, Nitrox and 9,3x64 , thank you.

Rothhammer, the four segments of the cleaning rod put together are 66 cm / 26 inches long, which looks good for cleaning a 57 cm / 22,5 cm long barrel; anyway, there won't be any room left in the dedicated compartment for storing a fifth segment so I assume that this cleaning rod was four-segment only. Did you still get your grand dad's "new hat rack" and leopard skull?

Louis




Mine measure 17.5cm per segment, a tad longer for the brass 'jag' end:



The 'fifth rod' is shaped like the connecting rods, but is all one piece steel with a smooth, slightly domed (not threaded), end where the female threads are on the others.

It's been a long time since I've had them out and they do fit rather snugly in their compartment. One loads them three with the fat end down, two with the narrow. They are a bit long when assembled, but that makes it nice for running patches from the breech end. I can leave a segment out and still have a rod more than 7.5cm longer than the barrel,
I use the rods provided with cleaning kits on it, actually. The originals just reside in the stock.


In the above image (swiped from the 'net) is another five piece set. On this one both terminal ends appear to be steel.


It seems you saw the hunt photos before I shortened my prior post. I was concerned that I was wandering too far astray from relevance to your fine M1905 (would I do that?).

As the cat is out of the bag, so to speak, and to answer your question, no. I don't think any buffalo parts made it back to the States with G'pa, nor the leopard's skull. The pith helmet has long since turned to powder.

Johnny's hat rack (for use in the field )

I do, however, have the cat's claws in the MS' fitted case.

One of my brothers had the pelt decades ago but it was in very bad shape, possibly never having been properly cured.





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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer M. 1905 Take Down [Re: Louis]
      #341291 - 23/05/20 12:41 AM

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I shoot Dorfner (Austria) Teilmantelgeschoss 16,5 grams / 255 grains ammunition but has not taken her hunting and do not plan doing so as I already have “dedicated” hunting rifles, kipplaufs mostly.

Louis




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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer M. 1905 Take Down [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #341303 - 23/05/20 06:09 PM

Thank you Rothhammer; nice that you still have the leopard's claws in addition to the rifle!
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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer M. 1905 Take Down [Re: Louis]
      #341313 - 24/05/20 08:51 AM

Louis, beautiful rifle in great condition. Especially nice with the removable grip cap.

I have a 1903 retailed by Beesley which is is almost identical to yours, same stock shape, same checkering style and pattern and the same sights.

As far as your statement that the model 1905 is the least produced of the four original prewar models you are correct in as far as numbers for sure. It is interesting to note though that the 1905 is much more common among British retailed rifles where it is relatively easy to find a rifle so chambered. Whereas the 1908 on the other hand is super rare as a British retailed rifle, the British having somewhat of a hatred of the 8mm projectile size.

Fantastic rifle.



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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer M. 1905 Take Down [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #341402 - 26/05/20 06:50 PM

Thank you very much Matt.
Really interesting and how true comment about "the British having somewhat of a hatred of the 8mm projectile size"; Brits did and still have really good classic tastes (rifles, cars, tailoring, etc.) however they we not and are not always right on all fronts! The 8 mm really remained until now a true continental Europe hunting calibre. Brits probably ignored it at the start of the XXth century as the existing 6,5 and 7 mm were already filling the requirement for hunting in the British Isles and because they were looking for something bigger, 9 and 9,5 mm for big/dangerous game hunting within the British Empire; but that's only a personal guess!
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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer M. 1905 Take Down [Re: Louis]
      #341405 - 26/05/20 07:44 PM

Functionally speaking, I think the .318 WR was the British 8mm.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer M. 1905 Take Down [Re: Marrakai]
      #341423 - 27/05/20 04:04 AM

Yes Marrakai, you're probably right.
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