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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7705 - 29/01/04 10:12 AM

In reply to:

The Woodleigh catalog does not list a 320 gr. PP




Ray,
Sounds like you do not have a current catolog.
The latest one has a photo of Geoff on the front cover.
There are TWO PP bullets listed for 9.3.
A 320 grain and a 286 grain.


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7709 - 29/01/04 10:46 AM

"I called Midway, and they don't have any..."

Ray, you old knucklehead...thats what "on Back order" means...I sure hope I don't get that bad when I get to your age.

I'll send you an end flap from one of my boxes...NO CHARGE!

If you do want a box, I'll part with one and send it up to you. Let me know.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: 4seventy]
      #7793 - 30/01/04 09:15 AM

4seventy,
yes, I know that, and in fact, you actually stated quit the opposite, I was just trying to get out of spending my money...


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7795 - 30/01/04 09:32 AM

Well, since I feel sorry for all you old derelicts, I'll send one up...bullet that is. What, you thought it would be a whole box?

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: luv2safari]
      #7887 - 31/01/04 05:31 AM

Luv2,
OK, beggers can't be choosers...This makes my day as the PP is a lot tougher bullet than the RN in Woodleighs, at least that has always been my experience...

the 350 gr. and 450 gr. 375 and 416s in PP configuration will shoot through any Buff at any decent angle, whereas the RN is prone to stop on the off side, albiet its the size of a golf ball in expansion and sure kills the heck out of Buffalo, but I sure like two holes and blood everywhere on the track....


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7897 - 31/01/04 07:29 AM

Ray,
Any experience with the 350 Rhino .375? Maybe I'll take my 375 with two scopes and 285 Speer mag tips + 350 PP's and call it good enough. Second gun to be the Tikka 12/9,3 with 250 Noslers at 2500fps.

Get cracking on that 416 Fatkinson...err...Atkinson...!

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: luv2safari]
      #7985 - 01/02/04 09:22 AM

I have never shot a Rhino bullet of anykind...But the 350 gr. PP Woodleigh will not let you down, it puts the 375 in or very near the 416 class of DGR IMO.....For herd shooting use the 350 RN.....but if you hunt the tall grass and apparantly you will, then I would use the Bridger flat nose solid in both calibers...

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #8013 - 01/02/04 04:16 PM

Ray,
How about a source for the Bridgers? Have you used the Speer Grand Slam 285's? They sure shoot in both my 375s!

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: luv2safari]
      #8034 - 02/02/04 05:35 AM

I have used the grandslams and I would not use them on Bufflo, but plainsgame Lion and Leopard they work fine...

info@bridgerbullets.com 406-581-2811
Definatly the best solid made today in the USA. I suggest going 50 grs. lighter than the standard, examp: 400 gr. Woodleigh solid/ 350 gr. Bridger Solid in 416 or 404, same with other calibers.


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Chasseur]
      #10310 - 28/02/04 04:47 AM

The 9,3x64 Brenneke is a fantastic cartridge!
With premium bullets like CDP, Partition or TUG, SWIFT A-Frame... you have an equal cartridge to the 375H&H with better accuracy and less problems to use it in a standard mauser 98 system. On the other hand you can realize reduced loads close to the 8mm Mauser!PPC Norma 15,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,54 RWS 5333 RWS 80,5 870 3300
PPC Norma 15,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,80 RWS 5333 RWS 80,5 880 max.
PPC Norma 15,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,50 CCI 200 RWS 83,0 825 2860
PPC Norma 15,0 N 140 Kemira 4,56 RWS 5333 RWS 80,5 870 max.
HMK RWS 16,7 N 140 Kemira 4,36 Kemira 68 RWS 84,0 810 max.
HMK RWS 16,7 R 907 Rottweil 4,47 CCI 200 RWS 84,0 800 3180
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 N 140 Kemira 4,02 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 770 2900
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,35 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 805 max.
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,15 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 770 2950
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 N 140 Kemira 4,17 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 795 max.
SSpSP(2459)Speer 17,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,80 RWS 5333 RWS 85,0 780 3150
VR/TR RWS 18,5 N 140 Kemira 4,30 Kemira 68 RWS 84,0 770 max.
TR Norma 18,5 IMR 4350 Dupont 4,92 CCI 250 RWS 84,5 782 3170
TR RWS 18,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,73 RWS 5333 RWS 84,0 780 max.
TR RWS 18,5 Tub.4 SNPE 4,13 RWS 5341 RWS 84,0 760 max.
Alaska Norma 18,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,80 RWS 5333 RWS 83,5 785 max.
Dual Core Norma 18,5 Tub.6 SNPE 4,60 Federal 215 RWS 83,5 755 max.
Solid A-Square 18,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,70 RWS 5341 RWS 84,5 770 max.
TUG RWS 19,0 IMR 4895 Dupont 4,04 Rem. 9 1/2 RWS 85,0 770 max.
TUG RWS 19,0 204 Norma 4,74 RWS 5341 RWS 85,0 760 max.
TUG RWS 19,0 N 160 Kemira 4,73 RWS 5341 RWS 85,0 760 max.



I reload the 9,3x64 for a friend of mine. We use the Norma Alska with CCI Magnum Primer and 72,00grain Rottweil 904 and RWS brass. Not a heavy load, but it works fine!



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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Safarischorsch]
      #10349 - 28/02/04 02:37 PM

I agree the 9.3x64 is the most underrated caliber that I know of and its the first place winner for the worlds best all around caliber, but availability of guns and components has always been its downfall..That is presently not so with the advent of Horneber brass at Huntingtons, but how long will they stock it is the next question and so the 375 H&H will remain king of the hill for now and forever, its as American/African as apple pie and dry vores...

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #340946 - 10/05/20 07:34 PM

Atkinson6.

What Woodleigh bullet did you use. Was it the PP or the RN.

I want to load my rifle to also shoot about 2400fps. But i am thinking of using the RN. This is also for Cape Buff, so glad to hear they performed well.

Do you have pictures of how they mushroom at 2400fps into a buff?


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Oelofse]
      #340949 - 10/05/20 10:05 PM

Wow! You dug deep to find this thread!

If that's Ray Atkinson you're asking, he's long gone some 15 years from NE.com!

Good question to ask everyone else though.
I have always regarded the .375 H&H and the 9.3 Brenneke to be ballistic twins, with indistinguishable terminal ballistics on game as well. But my experience with either is a distant second to others here.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Marrakai]
      #340956 - 11/05/20 12:30 AM

The 9.3X64 is an outstanding cartridge badly crippled by the lack of good quality inexpensive brass.

To say it's equal to a 375H&H is indeed high praise, but you can buy 375 at Wal-Mart (At least you can in Wyoming)and even small shops in Wyoming and Montana, have it. I was in S. Carolina a few years back and in a mid-sized gun shop I found empty brass and loaded ammo on the shelves despite the fact there are no game animals in S. C. that I know of that are the type of game usually shot with a 375H&H.

The 9.3X64 does what the 375 will do but the other side of the argument is that the 375H&H will do what the 9.3X64 will do, with the 375 being quite common and the 9.3X64 being made to be a far harder cartridge to obtain.
Too bad too. The belt-less design and ease of fitting it to most actions give it a very good set of qualities. But the industry seems to be set against it.

The same was true of the 9.3X62 form most of my life. Not very long ago, most American hunters had never heard of a 9.3X62. Now in Wyoming, Montana and some of Idaho and Utah the 9.3X62 is getting super popular. I have been doing re-barrel jons to that caliber like it's a run on the banks for the last 2-1/2 years and it was odd in that no American gun makes is offering the rifles as a standard item,yet American seem to suddenly "wok up" to the shell and there has been a huge demand for them around here.

Even if the 9.3X64 was to be offered by Ruger, Savage, Mossberg, Remington and Winchester all at the same time and Federal, Winchester Hornady and Remington all started making ammo, I doubt the 9.3X64 will ever outsell the 375H&H. It could be equal in sales, but I don't think it will pass the 375.

The 9.3X62 on the other hand is a bit less powerful and kicks a bit less too, hold more ammo in the same size magazine and get by with a bit less barrel length, yet it kills game REALLY well. So if the big companies wanted to get higher numbers of sales, I think the 9,3X62 would become the bigger seller.


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: szihn]
      #340963 - 11/05/20 02:05 AM

I have 2 9.3x62's - they're OK.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: szihn]
      #340977 - 11/05/20 06:35 AM

Quote:

The 9.3X64 is an outstanding cartridge badly crippled by the lack of good quality inexpensive brass......



Oh boy isn't that the truth!

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Even if the 9.3X64 was to be offered by Ruger, Savage, Mossberg, Remington and Winchester all at the same time and Federal, Winchester Hornady and Remington all started making ammo, I doubt the 9.3X64 will ever outsell the 375H&H.....



It would be marvelous to see - I know A-Square do make a load for this cartridge as well

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The 9.3X62 on the other hand is a bit less powerful and kicks a bit less too, hold more ammo in the same size magazine and get by with a bit less barrel length, yet it kills game REALLY well. So if the big companies wanted to get higher numbers of sales, I think the 9,3X62 would become the bigger seller.



szihn, I always thought you liked a challenge, well here it is; go the whole hog & have something that the common man does not!


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #341014 - 12/05/20 12:42 AM

Too late 93X64mm......................I do.
Several of them.

A 9.3X74R and a 9.3X57 among them.


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: szihn]
      #341019 - 12/05/20 05:53 AM

Quote:

Too late 93X64mm......................I do.
Several of them.

A 9.3X74R and a 9.3X57 among them.




I like the way you think szihn & yes you played me well........you got me hook line & sinker!


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #341104 - 15/05/20 01:46 PM

the 9,3x64 is candidate for the best allround cartridge ever

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