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9.3x64mm Brenneke reloading data
      #313474 - 04/03/18 11:23 AM

I've been thinking about for quite a while now & decided to correlate all my notes together for those that like this calibre (& others) that I reload for.
It will be my new repository so if I do further work I can easily add to this post.
I would also like to encourage other to do the same so that all reloading data is together & becomes more comprehensive as time progresses

As always the old adage these loads are safe in my rifle (Mark X Mauser), but they can be used as a reference to start those along the way rather than starting completely from scratch as I did!
When I first started reloading for this cartridge Circa 1987 there was no loading data in Australia what-so-ever at the time.

I wrote away to MULWEX Australia & received a letter from a Mr W.F. Pheasant who was the General Manager at the time.
He suggested a stating point of 63gn AR2209 to a maximum of around 70gn, using standard primers rather than magnum primers on lighter loads due to them shattering resulting in higher pressures with slow burning powder.
So thank you Mr Pheasant, your information was a very handy start to a young (then) man that had some reloading experience - but nothing like this!

A lot of water has passed under the bridge since then & best educated guesses have now been replaced with programmes like "Quick Load" to give us much more insight as to how to progress & what powders to best use etc.
These however must only be a guide & as all rifles are different; so what works best in mine may not in yours!
My aim has been to try to achieve factory specification, but my main emphasis fore mostly was to get the best accuracy in that process.

Those marked with a '*' were the best preforming in my rifle with deviations of 10fps or less.
For those that are interested in the Woodleigh Hydros, I have done some testing on the Mk1's, but sadly I must confess due to feeding issues I didn't keep notes on these!
To this point I haven't used the Mk II's which have the protective tip & hence have eliminated any feed issues.

Wishing all the best to those who would like to shoot this unusual calibre, I hope this brings more life back into this wonderful old cartridge!
Jack Lott was very impressed with this cartridge, even rating it better than the .375H&H!
https://rws-munition.de/fileadmin/datasheets/rws-9-3x64-uni-classic-19-0g.hunt.en.pdf
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Cases RWS
Primer Federal 210 - All loads
Bullet 293TUG
Powder AR2208
OAL 85.2mm
Charge FPS (rounded)
60gn 2400
61gn 2440
62gn 2480
63gn 2520
*64gn 2560

Bullet 293TUG
Powder AR2209
OAL 85.2mm
Charge FPS (rounded)
68gn 2470
69gn 2490
70gn 2510
71gn 2530 (compressed)
*72gn 2570 (compressed) Factory equivalent load

Bullet 270Speer
Powder AR2208
OAL 85.0mm
Charge FPS (rounded)
55gn 2215 (extremely accurate)
56gn 2255 (Group 1 BGR Minimum load)

Bullet 286Woodleigh PP
Powder AR2208
OAL 85.68mm
Charge FPS (rounded)
*63gn 2530
64gn 2550

Bullet 286Woodleigh PP
Powder AR2209
OAL 85.68mm
Charge FPS (rounded)
71gn 2470
72gn 2455 (compressed)
73gn 2510 (compressed)
*74gn 2635 (compressed)
75gn 2660 (compressed) (factory 2690fps)

Bullet 286Woodleigh FMJ
Powder AR2209
OAL 84.15mm
Charge FPS (rounded)
71gn 2470
72gn 2485 (compressed)
*73gn 2580 (compressed) (shoots 1" lower than 286PP at 100m)


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Re: 9.3x64mm Brenneke reloading data [Re: 93x64mm]
      #313481 - 04/03/18 09:15 PM

Yep..the 9,3 Brenneke has many times swirled in my head...but when it came to actually choosing an ultimate 9,3mm the 9,3x70 DWM became my dream. Both cartridges are rockstars.

The 9,3 Brenneke will catch up with the .375H&H but the 9,3DWM will run away from the .375H&H..LOL

But the question always remain...Do you need more than a .9,3 Brenneke?...I don`t think so. It will do it all.

Edited by rigbymauser (04/03/18 09:18 PM)


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Re: 9.3x64mm Brenneke reloading data [Re: rigbymauser]
      #313482 - 04/03/18 09:31 PM

Quote:

But the question always remain...Do you need more than a .9,3 Brenneke?...I don`t think so. It will do it all.




Agreed Jens!


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Re: 9.3x64mm Brenneke reloading data [Re: Gen_Hicks]
      #337155 - 29/01/20 06:58 AM

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Hi 93x64mm, no problem, here it is!

snipped by NitroX




Loading data courtesy of Nojden

Fixing the graphics.





Edited by NitroX (18/04/20 12:28 AM)


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Re: 9.3x64mm Brenneke reloading data [Re: 93x64mm]
      #340192 - 17/04/20 10:41 PM

From Dotchicco

Re: My article on Norma website... Satisfaction! [Re: NitroX]
#340128 - 16/04/20 03:06 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Gentlemen,
With great satisfaction, Norma plubished my second article on theyr website.
This time I talked about 9,3x64 Brenneke reloading.
Hope you enjoy...

Doc.

9,3x64 reloading




Well Doc there are at least a few scholars amongst us, a very good article I must say.
Hopefully this will spark Norma into making this fine round themselves & see Sako or Tikka chamber this cartridge in there line up.
Once again mate you've certainly excelled in the facts department & yes the 9.3x64mm does pip the .375H&H




Edited by 93x64mm (17/04/20 10:43 PM)


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Re: 9.3x64mm Brenneke reloading data [Re: 93x64mm]
      #340199 - 18/04/20 12:30 AM

320 gr Woodleighs make the 9.3x64 a very useful African and Big Game cartridge.

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Re: 9.3x64mm Brenneke reloading data [Re: NitroX]
      #340210 - 18/04/20 04:24 AM



https://jww.de/93x64-brenneke-334/

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Re: 9.3x64mm Brenneke reloading data [Re: lancaster]
      #340274 - 19/04/20 09:21 PM

Great data share 93x64mm, how long is the barrel on your rifle?

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Re: 9.3x64mm Brenneke reloading data [Re: coll416]
      #340293 - 20/04/20 08:57 AM

Coll416,
my 9.3x64 has a 26" barrel, I've never been a admirer of short barrels.
I do have an old 1892 Winchester with a 20" barrel, but that's for teaching the younger ones to step up into centerfire


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Re: 9.3x64mm Brenneke reloading data [Re: 93x64mm]
      #341020 - 12/05/20 06:00 AM

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The 9,3x64 Brenneke is a fantastic cartridge!
With premium bullets like CDP, Partition or TUG, SWIFT A-Frame... you have an equal cartridge to the 375H&H with better accuracy and less problems to use it in a standard mauser 98 system. On the other hand you can realize reduced loads close to the 8mm Mauser!PPC Norma 15,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,54 RWS 5333 RWS 80,5 870 3300
PPC Norma 15,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,80 RWS 5333 RWS 80,5 880 max.
PPC Norma 15,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,50 CCI 200 RWS 83,0 825 2860
PPC Norma 15,0 N 140 Kemira 4,56 RWS 5333 RWS 80,5 870 max.
HMK RWS 16,7 N 140 Kemira 4,36 Kemira 68 RWS 84,0 810 max.
HMK RWS 16,7 R 907 Rottweil 4,47 CCI 200 RWS 84,0 800 3180
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 N 140 Kemira 4,02 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 770 2900
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,35 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 805 max.
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,15 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 770 2950
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 N 140 Kemira 4,17 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 795 max.
SSpSP(2459)Speer 17,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,80 RWS 5333 RWS 85,0 780 3150
VR/TR RWS 18,5 N 140 Kemira 4,30 Kemira 68 RWS 84,0 770 max.
TR Norma 18,5 IMR 4350 Dupont 4,92 CCI 250 RWS 84,5 782 3170
TR RWS 18,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,73 RWS 5333 RWS 84,0 780 max.
TR RWS 18,5 Tub.4 SNPE 4,13 RWS 5341 RWS 84,0 760 max.
Alaska Norma 18,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,80 RWS 5333 RWS 83,5 785 max.
Dual Core Norma 18,5 Tub.6 SNPE 4,60 Federal 215 RWS 83,5 755 max.
Solid A-Square 18,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,70 RWS 5341 RWS 84,5 770 max.
TUG RWS 19,0 IMR 4895 Dupont 4,04 Rem. 9 1/2 RWS 85,0 770 max.
TUG RWS 19,0 204 Norma 4,74 RWS 5341 RWS 85,0 760 max.
TUG RWS 19,0 N 160 Kemira 4,73 RWS 5341 RWS 85,0 760 max.



I reload the 9,3x64 for a friend of mine. We use the Norma Alska with CCI Magnum Primer and 72,00grain Rottweil 904 and RWS brass. Not a heavy load, but it works fine!






Reloading Data courtesy of Safarischorsch

More info on the 9.3x64
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6394&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

From Dorleac & Dorleac - a marvelous rifle to highlight this unique caliber
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post330803

Edited by 93x64mm (12/05/20 06:15 AM)


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Re: 9.3x64mm Brenneke reloading data [Re: 93x64mm]
      #341055 - 13/05/20 02:17 AM

It was stated above:
With premium bullets like CDP, Partition or TUG, SWIFT A-Frame... you have an equal cartridge to the 375H&H with better accuracy and less problems to use it in a standard Mauser 98 system. On the other hand you can realize reduced loads close to the 8mm Mauser!

I agree with all of that except the part about better accuracy. I have made a lot of 375s in my life as a gunsmith, and I personally am on the 2nd barrel of my 375H&H and the accuracy is excellent. I get groups at 100 Yards with 4 shots that all touch with my rifle both with 270 and 300 grain bullets, so I can't see how a 9.3 could be more accurate (considering I am also shooting a 4X scope with a 2 MOA Dot) My 9.3s (all 3 of them, ---- may soon be 4 too.) are also very accurate with my Ruger #1 in 9.3X74R being just as accurate as my 375H&H, but none beat it and the other 2 don't match it. So far I have not seen many rifles that do beat it, and I have owned it since I was 23 years old. That's 41 year now.
To be honest a sub MOA 9.3 or 375 is delightful, but any accuracy you get under about 1.5" is largely just "feel-goodies" and of no real-world value for hunting any game you'd actually hunt with such calibers as a rule. Most men anyway. maybe I am a bit "off" but it's not uncommon for me to shoot antelope with my 375 or my 9.3s. I have killed a few with my Ruger at over 400 yards, but even a 400 yd shot doesn't actually NEED a 1/2 MOA rifle and load.


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Re: 9.3x64mm Brenneke reloading data [Re: szihn]
      #341063 - 13/05/20 04:48 AM

I had the same experience with the .375H&H as to accuracy, Steve & to the point of bullet weights of 235gr. to 300gr. all going into a big group that ran a little less than 1" x 2" or so, on centers, with individual bullet weight groups of 1/2", within the composite group.
That they were all in a group an inch wide by 2" high speaks volumes for having one sight setting for all bullet weights.
The 300's of course were lowest, with the 270's next and in between the 300's and the 235's, just as you would want/expect.

Further, I don't know if the 9.3x63 shares this close point of impact trait with different bullet weights, but my 9.3x57 did using resized 225gr, .235gr., .232gr. Norma, resized 270's and the 300's I tested in it.

It is nice to have a single sight setting for all bullet weights.

My .30/06 M70 almost does this, only 1/2" to the right & 1/2" lower with 180gr. vs. a sight setting for the 165's. It's close enough for "government" work.


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Re: 9.3x64mm Brenneke reloading data [Re: 93x64mm]
      #341602 - 02/06/20 10:37 PM

Quote:

The 9,3x64 Brenneke is a fantastic cartridge!
With premium bullets like CDP, Partition or TUG, SWIFT A-Frame... you have an equal cartridge to the 375H&H with better accuracy and less problems to use it in a standard mauser 98 system. On the other hand you can realize reduced loads close to the 8mm Mauser!PPC Norma 15,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,54 RWS 5333 RWS 80,5 870 3300
PPC Norma 15,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,80 RWS 5333 RWS 80,5 880 max.
PPC Norma 15,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,50 CCI 200 RWS 83,0 825 2860
PPC Norma 15,0 N 140 Kemira 4,56 RWS 5333 RWS 80,5 870 max.
HMK RWS 16,7 N 140 Kemira 4,36 Kemira 68 RWS 84,0 810 max.
HMK RWS 16,7 R 907 Rottweil 4,47 CCI 200 RWS 84,0 800 3180
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 N 140 Kemira 4,02 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 770 2900
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,35 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 805 max.
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,15 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 770 2950
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 N 140 Kemira 4,17 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 795 max.
SSpSP(2459)Speer 17,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,80 RWS 5333 RWS 85,0 780 3150
VR/TR RWS 18,5 N 140 Kemira 4,30 Kemira 68 RWS 84,0 770 max.
TR Norma 18,5 IMR 4350 Dupont 4,92 CCI 250 RWS 84,5 782 3170
TR RWS 18,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,73 RWS 5333 RWS 84,0 780 max.
TR RWS 18,5 Tub.4 SNPE 4,13 RWS 5341 RWS 84,0 760 max.
Alaska Norma 18,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,80 RWS 5333 RWS 83,5 785 max.
Dual Core Norma 18,5 Tub.6 SNPE 4,60 Federal 215 RWS 83,5 755 max.
Solid A-Square 18,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,70 RWS 5341 RWS 84,5 770 max.
TUG RWS 19,0 IMR 4895 Dupont 4,04 Rem. 9 1/2 RWS 85,0 770 max.
TUG RWS 19,0 204 Norma 4,74 RWS 5341 RWS 85,0 760 max.
TUG RWS 19,0 N 160 Kemira 4,73 RWS 5341 RWS 85,0 760 max.



I reload the 9,3x64 for a friend of mine. We use the Norma Alska with CCI Magnum Primer and 72,00grain Rottweil 904 and RWS brass. Not a heavy load, but it works fine!






Reloading Data courtesy of Safarischorsch

More info on the 9.3x64
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6394&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1


From Dorleac & Dorleac - a marvelous rifle to highlight this unique caliber
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post330803


Another Dorleac & Dorleac masterpiece
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post341584






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Re: 9.3x64mm Brenneke reloading data [Re: 93x64mm]
      #341621 - 03/06/20 01:44 AM

"With premium bullets like CDP, Partition or TUG, SWIFT A-Frame... you have an equal cartridge to the 375H&H with better accuracy"

I sure don't agree with this statement. I've owned 2 different makes and shot 3 different rifles chambered in .375H&H
and every one of them has been a sub MOA shooter.
The 1970's Sako was a clover-leafer, a 3/8" C to C shooter, virtually every time & that was with a Leuy 2-5X scope.

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