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DarylS
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Re: The Nearly Forgotten .318 Westley Richards [Re: DORLEAC]
#379701 - 29/09/23 01:28 AM

I have an old "Pacific" reloading manual. This manual states that the 8x57 Mauser in a 98 acion will match the .30/06 in vel. with the same bullet weight due to it's greater expansion ratio making up for the lesser capacity case. Both ctgs. of course, loaded to the same pressure level.
The 8mm/06 of course, handily beat the '06 due to it's greater expansion ratio and same useable case capacity.
The 8x60 should be in the same ball park as the 8x57 Mauser.
I've read the .30/06, with it's normal rate of twist of 10", did not stabilize it's. 308" 250gr. bullet well even though it was capable of driving it at 2,450 fps.

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten .318 Westley Richards [Re: DarylS]
#379706 - 29/09/23 04:02 AM

8x60S

11.7 g / 181 gr bullet
835 m/s / 2,740 ft/s
4,079 J / 3,009 ft⋅lbf
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.318 W-R

12 g / 180 gr bullet
820 m/s / 2,700 ft/s
3,960 J / 2,920 ft⋅lbf
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16 g / 250 gr bullet
730 m/s / 2,400 ft/s
4,330 J / 3,194 ft⋅lbf

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NitroX
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Re: The Nearly Forgotten .318 Westley Richards [Re: DORLEAC]
#379707 - 29/09/23 04:24 AM

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8x60S

11.7 g / 181 gr bullet
835 m/s / 2,740 ft/s
4,079 J / 3,009 ft⋅lbf
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.318 W-R

12 g / 180 gr bullet
820 m/s / 2,700 ft/s
3,960 J / 2,920 ft⋅lbf
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16 g / 250 gr bullet
730 m/s / 2,400 ft/s
4,330 J / 3,194 ft⋅lbf

DORLEAC
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The key item there is the 250 gr bullet. The .318 WR reputation was made with the 250 gr bullet.

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten .318 Westley Richards [Re: DORLEAC]
#379708 - 29/09/23 04:28 AM

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Quite a while ago I made a .308WR for an American sportsman.
I have the best memories of this fabulous cartridge even if intrinsically, ballistically, it is no better than its German counterpart, the 8x60S.
Mauser delivered many Type A and Type B 8x60S rifles to Nairobi between the wars.
But the .318 is a class apart...at least in the mythology of the great era of African hunting.

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DORLEAC

Please send me one!

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten .318 Westley Richards [Re: NitroX]
#379712 - 29/09/23 06:51 AM

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Please send me one!

Get in the back of the queue, John!!

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten .318 Westley Richards [Re: 9.3x57]
#379718 - 29/09/23 09:34 AM

Yeah, that's kinda sweet.

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