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Mainguide, that was not Clark, it was me! The "10 minute" comment was a figure of speach, not an actual measurement! However, 84 seconds is too much, when you consider what he was doing with that laps of time! If MS walked right up to the downed animal, and provoked a charge, I would have no problem with that. The fact is when you can see the animal dragging it's self from 200 yds away, and he stops twice to talk to the camera about how wonderful he, and his concession is, for 84 seconds,on the way to the animal,and this is what you see on the edited film, who knows how many times he had to re-do a couple of those "LOOK AT ME" sequinces,that was edited out, while the viewer is watching the animal in the background shakeing, and dragging it's hind quarters, is unethical, and self-centered, and anyone who agrees with that action is just as self absorbed as MS is. I say go shoot the animal, then talk about how brave you are!

The talk MS gives about how well he treats animals by giveing them the choice of how thay die is simply BULL SHIT, no other way to say it. The animal has absolutley no say in how he is to die! No matter what the animal does, he is going to die with four or five guys hitting him with big bore rifles. It takes no BALLS to stand off a charge of a buffalo that is shot to pieces, already,and in the open, when you have several rifles backing you up. It seems to be only MS, because the camera only shows him.

In one sequince, in the film "SUDEN DEATH" a Buffalo that had already been hit three or four times with a client's 470NE, and MS's 450/400NE, was confronted at around 10 yds, barely being able to stand. MS moves around till the bull couldn't stand it any longer charged. The camera only shows MS as the shooter, but off camera, the client, who's buffalo this was, two other clients, and MS's son all shot the buffalo, from different angles. The Buff already hit 3 or 4 times,when the charge started, was hit durring the charge twice by MS, twice by the client,with his 470NE, twice by MS's son,with a 500/450NE, once by one of the other clients,with a 470NE, and twice by the other client with a 470NE. That is 13 hits in all, with 9 of them during the charge! I'd say MS is in more danger from the bullets flying than from any Buffalo!

This is a discussion that will never be settled. The thing is these films make money for MS, and that is a strong incentive, to do what ever it takes to make the film. In my view, simply because it makes for sinsational film footage, doesn't justify letting an animal suffer while you talk to the camera. 90% of all charges are because of one of two reasons, #1 is somebody screwed up, and #2 they were provoked for bragging rights. It is a free country, and you are not required to agree with me, and I see you do not, but I am not required to agree with you either, and I certainly do not agree with MS's sense of ethics! It is evident there are those who do agree with his chest beating, because there are many who buy his films, and book hunts with him. I can afford his films, and books, but I will not be buying any of them, I can't afford to hunt with him, and even if I could I wouldn't!

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