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Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA
      #33661 - 23/06/05 05:39 AM

Hi all,
I just picked up a Ruger 1B in 22-250 that I am thinking of having either rechambered/rebored or rebarreled. I also will have open sights installed and a front sight so recommendations there are also appreciated. I just don't varmit hunt anymore. I would use this SS for large game from Whitetail Deer, Black Bear, Wild Boar, on up to Elk/Moose. Mostly it would be used in the Adirondack Mtns of NY State where Bear and Deer are on the agenda and the shooting is fast in that dense forest. One shot is all you'll get. Or in Canada for Moose/Caribou. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated and I do like the classics, so let's have fun with this. Thanks....RW

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #33662 - 23/06/05 07:07 AM


375 Flanged Magnum

Range of bullet weights, Flat enough shooting,
Heavy enough hitting and a classic as well.

375H&H could also be done.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #33663 - 23/06/05 07:11 AM

375 H&H, what else. This is the all-arounder for everything in NA. The 375 is also great with cast loads too.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #33668 - 23/06/05 08:31 AM

.375 H&H.

Richard.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: rgp]
      #33669 - 23/06/05 09:19 AM

.375 H&H or .300 H&H.

Since Ruger chambers the .375 H&H in the No. 1, I wouldn't go to the trouble of rebarreling your rifle unless you just wanted to. A No. 1 in .300 H&H would be very cool.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #33672 - 23/06/05 11:03 AM

Sell the 22-250 and then buy the 375 in a No.1.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: 475Guy]
      #33677 - 23/06/05 12:34 PM

I concur with 475 Guy.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #33703 - 23/06/05 04:42 PM

How about 30-40 or 7x57R ?Every body always says 375 every time a#1 comes up. Does anybody know the aproximate number Ruger makes of each caliber...
Glenn

Edited by Stonewall (23/06/05 04:46 PM)

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Stonewall]
      #33766 - 24/06/05 11:21 AM

I originally was thinking about a 30/40 Krag or 30/40 Improved since my oldest daughter has liberated my Savage 99 in 308 Win. But lately I have been thinking of having an octagon barrel installed with a sight rib and a QD scope mount/rings setup. May be cost prohibitive but am going to look into it. Since Doug Turnbull and I grew up and still live in the same town I will have him case color the receiver at the very least. The only item is to come up with a caliber to use from Deer/Black Bear up to Elk/Moose. The 375 H&H may get the nod but still researching that. Can anyone here tell me how it works on Whitetail/Mule Deer size game and what bullet there using? The only reason I haven't gone with a 405 Win is lack of trajectary for shots on game like Caribou. All and all I don't really need to get much more than 250 yards out of the cartridge as the stalking makes the hunt for me. All your comments are greatly appreciated....RW

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #33767 - 24/06/05 11:32 AM

Why not be bold and chamber it for a 9.3x74r? It's a fabulous caliber, traditional in single shots and double rifles, and fun as the dickens to shoot. You will like the cartridge length - longer than a .375 H&H. Looks great on a cartridge belt. Really smacks the game. Not bad recoil. Do it!

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #33770 - 24/06/05 12:37 PM

Ravenwolf

A whole lot of guys are using the 260 gr bullet for deer hunting and are fairly successful. I'd rather use a good cast flatnose bullet for deer ever since I saw a mulie rolled end over end a few years ago. I was still lugging an 06 while my partner decided to use his 375 with cast bullets. His favorite bullet was a 320 as cast bullet that had the same POI as his 300 gr JSP. His shot was just over 200 yds, which I thought was a long shot with a cast load at that time. The thing was, he practiced with the thing every weekend to make that shot. If you don't like cast bullets, you can always use a 270 gr JSP for a slightly flatter trajectory.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: 475Guy]
      #33773 - 24/06/05 02:23 PM

I'll do something technically illegal since I already voted...and vote again for the .375 H&H.

Richard.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: rgp]
      #33782 - 24/06/05 04:32 PM

For North American game up to Elk, I think something like the 30-40 Krag is an excellent idea. Another would be 7x75R (Vom Hofe). Of course the 300 H&H would be nice, too.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #33788 - 24/06/05 06:33 PM

Then another idea would be 7.5 Swiss. Pick up a copy of "Cartridges of the World" and put your feet up. This could get interesting!
Glenn

Edited by Stonewall (24/06/05 06:34 PM)

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Stonewall]
      #33799 - 24/06/05 10:37 PM

Keep the cartridge ideas coming folks. At the very least I'm having fun looking up info on these fine cartridges. Right now I'm still hung up on the 30-40 and the 375 H&H, that is till someone through in the 9.3X74R. I could toss it all and just go with the 30-06 and be done with it, but what's the fun in that....RW

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #33816 - 25/06/05 08:41 AM

Of course you could get a No.1 in 30-06 and be just fine...

But we don't want to do that, so what about
318 Westley Richards
333 Jeffery
350 Rigby
7mm Mashburn
275 H&H
405 Win
Wildcat a 7.62x68

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: DPhillips]
      #34175 - 01/07/05 04:30 PM

Well, here is a highly modified #1 with a sidelever and an indication of fun hunting even if it isn't NA. Five one shot kill in Namibia and 10 head of deer and pronghorn in Montana. It's a .30-40, all handloads with Nosler 180 Partisions.
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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: SDH]
      #34189 - 02/07/05 05:57 AM

SDH

Nice Kudu, where, when, and what caliber? Details, man. Don't leave us hanging.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #34468 - 08/07/05 12:03 PM

If you would consider a wildcat, take a look at 338x74R, which was created by Elmer Keith. It is the 9,3x74R case necked down to .338, and is roughly equal to .338 magnum.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: 338X74R]
      #34481 - 08/07/05 08:34 PM

338X74R,
I've heard of this wildcat a few times. Where can I find more info on it. It seems similar to the 7.62 Meacham but in .338 cal. Thanks..RW

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #34483 - 08/07/05 09:24 PM

I found the info in some "Gun notes" articles by Keith, and in a norwegian reloading manual. I will send you the references and some data when I get back home at the end of July.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: 338X74R]
      #34485 - 08/07/05 11:30 PM

338X74R,
Thanks, the info would be greatly appreciated...RW

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #34492 - 09/07/05 04:26 AM

Capt Curl has given excellent advice. I have done quite a bit of hunting with a 9,3x74R double rifle. It is an excellent calibre.Use 286 grain bullets for big game and all game up close [I have taken game to 300 yards with 286 grain bullets]. You can use 232 to 250 grain bullets for smaller game [deer sized] at a distance.
Go to a gun store and "heft" a 375 No1 then "heft" 1-A in 30-06. I would build my 9,3x74R No1 to the size and weight of a No1 1A. I might make mine with a 24 or 26" bbl.My 9,3 double weighs 7 1/4 lbs without scope, recoil is not bad.
It is my favorite rifle under 40 calibre.
The 9,3x74R is a great hunting cartridge.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: NE450No2]
      #34495 - 09/07/05 04:54 AM

Also factory ammo, brass and bullets are available.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: NE450No2]
      #34554 - 10/07/05 11:23 PM

NE450, what loads are you using and what velocities are you getting? I just did some research on the 9.3X74R and it seems to be almost on par with the 9.3X62. I've a friend that has a Mauser 98 made up in the 9.3X62 and it sure seems very effective...RW

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #34882 - 20/07/05 10:55 AM

New to the board but not lacking an opinion

Did anyone mention the 375H&H?

Well, besides that the 7x57r is a class act, and the 175 has worked out very well for me. In a pinch you can fire standard 7x57 in it but I wouldn't try that on anything that can eat you, as extraction is nonexistant.

How about having 2 made up as everyone should have a #1 in .375?

BTW, SDH, how about a shot of the off side of that #1?
Looks like a very nice modification.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Tom_H]
      #34910 - 21/07/05 05:18 AM

I quite fancy the Ruger No #1 international in 30-06

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: bonanza]
      #34948 - 22/07/05 11:03 AM

Haven't checked in for a while. I was in Namibia, June '05 the rifle is a .30-40, sidelever conversion, major metalwork by the late John Madole, the rest from my shop. I've been shooting and hunting with it for a decade. Here's a pic of the lever side.


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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: SDH]
      #34951 - 22/07/05 12:32 PM

Thanks SDH.

Nicely executed. Side levers are great and not quite as common as they should be. Very classy piece.

Perfect wood too.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #35278 - 01/08/05 06:30 AM

Ravenwolf,
Keith developed the 338-74 Keith cartridge in 1979/71, and wrote about it in his Gun Notes article in Guns&Ammo in August 1971, as well as dec. 1977 and dec. 1979. I'll send you a PM on this.
With Nosler 250 grains bullet he got 2711fps; 49950 pfs pressure.
With 275 grains Speer: 2580pfs / 50220 psi pressure.

Here is a drawing of the cartridge:
http://www.again.net/~steve/jpg/cd33874keith.jpg

I have not found anyone stocking reamers or dies for this cartridge, but I haven't looked real hard yet.
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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: 500Nitro]
      #36013 - 18/08/05 05:00 AM

I am in complete agreement with .500 NItro on this re-barrel.
; A friend of mine just did the reverse- going from .375H&H to .17AckleyHornet for his wife's gopher shooting.
: A flanged .375 would be so - "RIGHT" for the Ruger#1.
: I recently made up a .375/'06 ICL IMP on a MK10 Mauser which gets slightly better ballistics than the .375 flanged data in Barnes book, and actually does 2,470fps. with 300gr. Hornady's soft and solid.
: These loads ware with "Extreme" powders & were developed in the heat (such as it was) of June, this year.
; Although definitely not needed in B.C. for moose or big bear, it is comforting to have the power & certianly flat shooting enough for 300 to 350yds. shots, especially with Barnes "X" or failsafe bullets.
: The belted .375H&H, or 9.3X62mm or 9.3X64mm would make nice rounds, but the flanged magnum would be "SPECIAL".

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: DarylS]
      #37901 - 21/09/05 03:37 AM

Hello guys! I'm new to the site, and like this tread! I hope I'm not too late to join in. I had a Ruger #1 in 458 that was fun, but not practical. I love the gun beause it had a custom stock to my length of pull in maple and walnut laminate. I had the rifle rebarreled to 7mm STW stainless steel,heavy contour by Shillen. I love the gun, but it is heavy! I am not complaining, I'm a big guy! I have a factory Ruger #1 7MM STW in stainless as a companion gun.

I like the idea of the 9.3X74R as a conversion for the Ruger #1. I own a 9.3X74R Valmet double, and I like to have more than one long gun in a caliber. Thanks for the G R E A T idea that you put in my head.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: powhatan42]
      #38230 - 27/09/05 01:33 AM

A bit of topic. But what does a Ruger Tropical sell for in the states/nz/australia?


Here they are a bit steep, 1600US $.

Just wonderd what you could find them fore in the stores?

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Northman]
      #40676 - 05/11/05 06:15 AM

I bought my Ruger #1 Tropical in .375 H&H last year for 695.00 USD

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #42512 - 29/11/05 03:58 PM

I had a No. 1 in 375 built in the 70's in tropical grade. I really loved it and wish I would have kept it. But I needed the money and sold it. It was one of the most natural feeling guns to hold I have ever shot.

Great, now I have to have another one again, add another gun to the list of "have to's".

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: 338X74R]
      #43233 - 06/12/05 04:25 PM

One of the great things about a single shot like the Ruger #1 is cartridge length is no problem. Infact, a longer cart. helps me speed my reload when neccessary.
I have a #1 in .338x74K & love the round. With a long bullet like the 225grNAB, LOA is right at 4.00". You can easily get 2800fps w/ this bullet & the round is just very cool to load for & shoot. I recommend it or a straight 9.3x74R. If you are going custom, might as well go custom.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: fredj338]
      #43438 - 08/12/05 11:45 AM

I don't know how far along you are on this project, but I read on another forum that Ruger plans to introduce the 1H in 9.3x74R in 2006. That should serve your purpose nicely.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: DPhillips]
      #43498 - 09/12/05 05:42 AM

DPhillips,

My gunsmith confirmed this with his account rep at JSC this morning. (http://www.jerryssportscenter.com/) Account rep advised it will be a regular cataloged item; should be priced the same as the other No. 1-H's. Like they did with the .405 Winchester in the No. 1. My guess is that the No. 1 in 9.3x74R will become "official" at the SHOT show in February.

Of course, we'll have to wait and see if Ruger actually gets them out the door.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: BFaucett]
      #43580 - 10/12/05 05:28 AM

I just heard that rumor myself and will be saving my pennies for when one if they come out. I haven't done a lot with the 1B in 22-250 yet so maybe I'll wait a might longer and see what Ruger does...RW

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #45180 - 29/12/05 05:05 PM

How about my old #3 rebarrled in 500/450 to match my new double Hollis & Sons. This could be my backup gun, and being chambered in the same round I wouldn't have to deal with different ammo. Hum that sounds like a good idea.

Should cost maybe about $1200.00 to do I would think.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #47737 - 24/01/06 12:41 PM

A 500/416 would be a natural.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Tom_H]
      #49558 - 09/02/06 06:36 AM

I just got all my shooting goodies for the Jeffery 450No.2 last night and I was thinking how easy and cool a Ruger No. 1 trobical would be chambered in 450No.2

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: bonanza]
      #49748 - 11/02/06 11:30 AM

I checked the Ruger web site
no mention of any new caliber
in the #1 ; but you can now
buy a Ruger Dodge truck.
Where are the priorities?


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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: k80]
      #50529 - 22/02/06 11:10 AM

When I ordered some parts from
Ruger today I inquired about the
9.3x74r and was told it was new.
I pointed out it was not on the web
site catalog. I was given another
number to call there they told me
that none were scheduled for February;
but to call back in March and they
could tell me if any are scheduled.
I will follow up next month.


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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: k80]
      #50629 - 23/02/06 10:53 AM


Has the 9.3X62 been mentioned? it is a great cartridge. If you want some real power and penitration check out the .366 DGW I have built several on the Ruger # 1 actions. You can find info on the cartridge on page 201 of the tenth edition of Cartridges of the World or at customguns.us

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Judson]
      #51782 - 08/03/06 11:18 AM

Checked with Ruger today.
No 9.3 scheduled for March.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #51822 - 09/03/06 01:50 AM

The 9.3x74 is a very fine caliber. I took all my animals with a Merkle O/U including Buff and was pleased as punch with it. Fun to shoot and good out to 300yds. I like the 287 Woodlieghs. Yes it does look good in a leather cartridge belt for sure.



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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: 8x56mn]
      #54249 - 06/04/06 09:04 AM

Checked with Ruger today for April
run. They told me to call back next
week. So I will.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: k80]
      #54312 - 07/04/06 03:20 AM

If you're going to the trouble of rebarreling a #1 do it in a cartridge that's not available from Ruger. I think either .270 wsm or .300 H&H would be a good choice.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Mark_Stratton]
      #55191 - 19/04/06 09:34 AM

Ruger said they will run some
9.3s in the month of April. I ask
my dealer to inquire again. Maybe
soon.


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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: k80]
      #55535 - 23/04/06 12:03 PM

My dealer said I will have 9.3 in 3
weeks that was 4/21/6. That is ok
with me. I am not going to hold my
breath.
This is the point I request pet loads,
etc. Is Norma ammunition worth 2X
the price of S&B ? I really just want
brass. Thanks for 9.3 info in advance.


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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: k80]
      #55544 - 23/04/06 04:20 PM

Is that the 9.3 x 62 ????

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Taylor416]
      #55554 - 24/04/06 01:11 AM

It is the 9.3 x 74R. Thanks for
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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: k80]
      #55585 - 24/04/06 08:11 AM

who is the dealer in san antonio thats getting you the 9.3 x 74.???... i live in victoria, about 125 miles east of you...and i want 1 also....i have a 458 win mag on a #1 in payments at a shop on bandera road.... i'm also considering building a double in 45 something..45-90..45-100. i really considered the 50-110.... i'm looking for a browing sbs to sacrifice to the double gods for this project....

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: jimatcat]
      #56087 - 30/04/06 12:07 PM

jimatcat did you get my
email?

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: k80]
      #57874 - 27/05/06 11:17 AM

Still no 9.3

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Ravenwolf]
      #66194 - 02/12/06 12:23 PM

Raven
Sorry for the delayed reply.
My 9,3 is a double rifle. I use 65 gr of IMR 4831 with 286gr bullets. I get around 2225fps or so. It has worked perfectly on all manner of game to include giraffe cape buffalo and elephants.
You could load a little faster in a No1, not that it is necessary.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: NE450No2]
      #66373 - 05/12/06 12:48 PM

BFaucett is correct.

A No.1 in 300 H&H is cool. I have one.

Ruger did a special run of No.1-Ss, chambered for Holland's "Super 30," in 1990 or 91.

Mine's very accurate, and that 26" tube helps crank up the velocity a bit.

Personally, I'd like to see Ruger do a run of No.1-As in the classic .303 Brit cartridge. Should be good for all NA game, except the really large Bruins. Maybe also a Tropical in .404 Jeffrey. (They did a limited run of 404s a while back, but I've read where their barrel diameters were incorrect).

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: Nick_Adams]
      #66374 - 05/12/06 01:01 PM

Nick,

Why don't you get one in .450/.400 3" Jeffery? That's the newest thing, and the caliber is nothing but super.

They are also making the No. 1 in 9.3x74R.

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Re: Ruger No. 1 caliber for NA [Re: CptCurl]
      #66660 - 09/12/06 03:25 PM

Hornady is loading the 9.3x74R, as well as, the 450/400. They would make interesting chamberings for a Ruger #1.
I'd like one in .333 Flanged, or 400/350 Rigby. Either would be perfect for NA game.

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