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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #323011 - 05/01/19 06:46 AM

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-f...un_id=101126446




































"Marked W Hanau IN GERA". Very nicely done little gun. 13-1/2" bbl to the breech which opens with a fancy engraved forward facing side lever. The breech area, upper and lower tangs, triggerguard and buttplate are also scroll engraved. Metal is a pleasing soft gray patina coloration. Fancy stock has a schnabel forend, checkered wrist and fancy carved cheekpiece. Delicate rigid sights, bore is approximately 7MM. Most orig lacquer remains on deluxe grade walnut."

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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #323014 - 05/01/19 08:07 AM

OK Lancaster you've got me beat here!
How does it operate/load etc?????


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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: 93x64mm]
      #336399 - 10/01/20 05:34 AM

Doersch & V. Baumgarten (probably 9,5 mm) needle fire stalking rilfe












https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/britishmilitariaforums/dreyse-t24852.html

know another one with half stock

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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #336409 - 10/01/20 02:18 PM

Yes- we know how the bolt actioned needle fire guns work, but, how does the rifle of this thread work?
I see no place a needle fire ctg. could be inserted - only a hole in a rotating drum, as if for a round ball or perhaps ball and small powder ctg.
The stock, sights and trigger guard on that needlfire gun are very similar to the model 71 sporter I have.

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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #336416 - 11/01/20 03:38 AM

Daryl, its not easy to visualise the Doersch & von Baumgarten rifle but be aware this is a common bolt action. you release the main spring than open the bolt like any other and load a paper cartridge. before firing you cock the action by hand so its a modern "safety rifle".
another hunting rifle of the same model I know was later rechambered for the 9,5x47R only be rebore the chamber and change the needle against a firing pin.

Doersch was working for Dreyse before he was going to Suhl to become a master gunmaker there and work on his own. iirc, his bolt action design originated from 1859/60.


http://www.littlegun.info/arme%20allemande/artisan%20c%20d/a%20doersch%20et%20baumgarten%20gb.htm

and here








https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?169793-Needle-Rifles&p=9370707&styleid=7

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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #336417 - 11/01/20 05:08 AM

Tks, but - I was referring to the first one, with the rotating drum. There have been air rifles, like that, with a rotating drum/chamber.

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"Yes- we know how the bolt actioned needle fire guns work, but, how does the rifle of this thread work?
I see no place a needle fire ctg. could be inserted - only a hole in a rotating drum, as if for a round ball or perhaps ball and small powder ctg."




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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: Daryl_S]
      #336419 - 11/01/20 05:24 AM

yes understand, its a very short chamber shooting a paper cartridge - copy of the Dreyse Lady's rifle

look here http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post275004

and you are right some airgun have such a rotating chamber to bring the bullet into the barrel. the early airgun history is not yet writen but one of the Dreyse airguns had exactly this rotating chamber taken from the older needle fire Lady's rifle to load the round ball.


could be this element came over this step into airgun design.

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